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Author, fanwriter, trash bandit, queer geek feminist, dork. Jack of all pronouns, mxtress of none. Yells about hockey. Aussie in the US.

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    1. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

      I swear to dog, if I see one more tweet about the moral perils of hypersexualising fake fictional not-real teenage characters who, I cannot stress this enough, ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE AND DON’T ACTUALLY EXIST, I am going to McFreaking LOSE IT. When did anti discourse port over to YA?

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    2. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

      [touches earpiece] I’m hearing that all adults were once teens themselves, that processing teen experiences doesn’t magically stop at 20 and may indeed continue throughout one’s life, and that adults can enjoy stories about teenagers for a variety of reasons, actually!

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    3. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

      You know how you reach your early twenties, look back on high school and think, “man, I’d never want to do that again, but imagine how different things would’ve been if I knew then what I know now?” Well [gestures broadly at large swathes of adult YA writers/readers] It’s A Thing

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    4. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

      Gonna go stare into the abyss while contemplating the idea that real human people think reserving sexual content for adult books only will stop precious teens from ever encountering it. [war flashbacks to the tumble discourse about how libraries should age-censor all books]

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    5. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

      If I have to live through a new twist on the old Voltron shipping discourse from when none of the characters had a canonically stated age but people still insisted certain ships were paedophilic Because Reasons but on actual SFF twitter, I am going to lose my WHOLE MIND.

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    6. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

      I am literally begging people to learn the difference between valid personal discomfort and objective moral certainty, and I am double triple begging them to learn it as regards FICTIONAL FUCKING CONTENT.

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      Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

      *pinches bridge of nose* Look. OK. There’s a question at the heart of this discourse that merits answering, namely: to what extent are adult readers of YA a legitimate part of the target audience, and how does that impact their presence in YA fandoms alongside teens?

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        2. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          My answer: adults are, both functionally and in terms of marketing, an integral part of the YA target audience. You can argue that they shouldn’t be, but I’m not going to agree, and for two main reasons:

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        3. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          One, because, with a bare handful of exceptions, adults are the ones *creating* YA content in the first place, which makes it patently absurd to argue that they can’t likewise enjoy reading it, as though we need an age cutoff for relating to our younger selves; and -

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        4. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          - two, because *teen readers grow up*. What, are you going to argue that no adults should be rereading Tamora Pierce? That a teen fan of Holly Black’s books has to quit an ongoing series if they hit 21 before it ends? That we can’t stay fans of YA authors once we get too old?

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        5. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          So: adults are going to read YA. We’re ALLOWED to read YA, and that means we’re also going to engage in YA fandoms. And while I can understand teen YA fans wanting adult-free spaces in which to enjoy the thing… I also have very little patience for the idea that adult enjoyment -

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        6. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          - of YA content is somehow inherently suspicious, or weird, or gross, or unseemly. Because YA content is *fiction*. We’re engaging here with things that ARE NOT REAL, which is exactly why fandom language and culture thrives on hyperbole, exaggeration and dramatic excess.

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        7. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          But because most westerners live in very age-segregated societies, and because those societies are still rife with embedded misogyny and homophobia, particularly when adult women are fans of a thing, or where the fandom is queer, we’re taught to see that as icky.

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        8. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          The number of adult female fans on tumblr who get teen girls asking them “ew, why are you still in FANDOM if you’re MARRIED” is a case in point: we are trained to view adult female interest in anything other than Traditional Areas as weird and anomalous. And it sucks!

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        9. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          Here’s the crux of it, though: when teens and adults share a fandom space that involves any sex or romance, there’s always going to be friction about it, and that friction will go both ways. Teens will feel weird about adult sexuality; adults will feel weird about teen sexuality.

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        10. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          This is both a bug and a feature - by which I mean, it just *is*, and we have to learn to navigate it on a case by case basis. We have to accept that our personal discomfort is not always indicative of a moral evil; this is as true in fandom as it is anywhere else in life.

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        11. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          Some teens have had really shitty fandom experiences because of adults, just as some adults have had really shitty fandom experiences because of teens. Teens also piss of other teens, and adult piss off other adults.

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        12. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          I feel like I’ve already had this conversation a thousand times when it comes to AO3 & broader fan culture, but it applies here too: being squicked is not an objective moral assessment. The source of your discomfort doesn’t have to be Verified Bad for your discomfort to be valid.

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        13. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          Teen YA fans who don’t want to interact with adults? That’s valid! But it also doesn’t mean adults don’t belong and are committing a moral offence by enjoying teen works! Yes, even if sex and romance are involved! Really and truly!

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        14. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          (Please, I beg you: let us not have yet another rehashing of the difference between fictional people and real ones when it comes to sexual anything. Wanting to fuck MCU Loki no more makes someone a genocide apologist than adults writing Sterek is pedophilia.)

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        15. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          Is there still room for discussion about wider social trends re: youth and culture and sexuality (among other things) in reference to particular works or authors? Yeah, always! But the relevance of those convos does not distill to Adults Liking Teen Things Bad, Always.

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        16. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Jul 26

          Just… please. I am so tired. Please do not invite rebranded anti discourse to jump from fandom wank into mainstream YA/SFF spaces. Nothing good will come of it. I have seen where those arguments lead, even the well-intentioned ones, and it’s nowhere good.

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