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Author, fanwriter, trash bandit, queer geek feminist, dork. Jack of all pronouns, mxtress of none. Yells about hockey. Aussie in the US.

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    1. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

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      I've been thinking about this on and off all day, so apparently I'm doing a thread about GRRM, my experience with the Hugo Losers party, and why his behaviour at the awards last year was a problem. Here we go!https://twitter.com/fozmeadows/status/1382797565981122565 …

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      Guys, GRRM just signed an *eight figure deal* with HBO for more GoT spinoff shows. If he’s truly feeling threatened by one (1) Hugo nominated essay rightfully calling him out for treating last year’s ceremony as his personal sketch show, he can go count his money and calm down.
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    2. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

      My very first Worldcon, which was also my very first convention, was Aussiecon 4 in 2010, which was fortuitously held walking-distance from my then house in Melbourne. I walked to and from every day and did nine events, because I was a debut local author who knew no better. (lol)

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    3. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

      At the time, the TV series for GoT had just been announced. I met GRRM twice that con, though I doubt he'd remember me - once in the green room before a panel we were both on, and once on the panel itself. Everyone was talking excitedly about ASOIAF making it to the small screen.

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    4. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

      At that con, I ended up going as @TrudiCanavan's plus one to a species of Hugo afterparty - I don't know if it was the losers party, but all the big names from the con were there, and it was held in another room in the convention, with a small cash bar.

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      Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

      My next Worldcon, Loncon 3 in 2014, I was a Hugo nominee, and so had my own invite both to the award predrinks and GRRM's losers party. GoT was in its first season then; I ended up speaking to GRRM, Weiss and Benisoff there, which was once again a cash bar in the con center.

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        2. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          (If GRRM does remember me from that party, I suspect he does so with irritation, as he brought up the film Three Days of the Condor while mentioning his home cinema, and my response was to talk about how rapey it is, which he clearly did not enjoy.)

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        3. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          The point being, the loser's party still felt like part of the actual con - as in 2010, it was held in the same building, with a small cash bar, and GRRM was handing out Hugo Loser ribbons to all of us who'd lost on the ballot. A small shindig, but fun.

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        4. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          The next time, though - that was Midamericon II in 2016, Kansas City, and I don't know if being in the US made a difference, if his Hollywood money had finally come in, or if he just realised, "hey wait, I can make this BIG," but the losers' party that year was... MASSIVE.

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        5. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          It was held in an old expensive theatre, a shortish walk from the con venue. Red and gold everywhere, a rotating cake shaped like planets, a fully open bar and GoT-themed cocktails, a live band and a stage - very much NOT what I'd been expecting, based on past experience.

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        6. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          I wasn't there as a nominee that year, but one of @itsjustira or @renay brought me along as a plus one, and it was undeniably a very awesome time. Even the astronauts from the Hugos ceremony showed up! I got to meet them!

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        7. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          My last and most recent experience was Worldcon 76 in San Jose, 2018, when I'd literally just moved to the US. I was a nominee again that time; the venue was a fair hike from the con, but there were open bars, dancing robots and an actual chocolate fountain.

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        8. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          The one commonality to all these parties was that, regardless of the size of the venue, GRRM, as the man paying for and organising everything, was there himself, handing out loser ribbons and, at a certain point in the evening, getting on stage to talk about worldcons past.

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        9. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          Here's the thing: I would be 100% lying if I claimed that, at any point while enjoying those parties, I'd stopped to consider why such an important event was technically not an "official" part of the con, but run autonomously alongside it. But I think about it now.

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        10. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          By the accounts of others, it seems I was very lucky to end up at two of his fancy afters in years where the venues were both accessible and large enough for the attendees, and where no major fuckups happened around the events themselves. But those fuckups DID happen elsewhere.

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        11. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          Whenever GRRM and his friends got up during the losers' parties to talk about the good old days or give their own awards out, as happened in 2016, even if it was repetitive, I'd think, 'ah, but he's bankrolling this thing, doesn't that entitle him to it?' And THAT'S the issue.

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        12. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          GRRM has a long history with both Worldcon and the Hugos, but he isn't officially part of the con staff; he is not beholden to it. And while, yes, he is indeed the founder of the losers party, which once upon a time was a much more informal thing...

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        13. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          ...the question becomes: does he want the event to be his playground, or his legacy? Because it can't be both, and now that it's such an opulent, shiny-status Thing To Attend, he's treating it as the former at the expense of the latter, and thus of the Hugos themselves.

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        14. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          When you get up, year after year, and tell increasingly diverse groups of Hugo winners and losers the same stories about you and your buddies, without acknowledging the development of the field the awards are meant to honor, it's not about the Hugos. It's about ego.

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        15. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          I can't imagine what it feels like to have started such a gathering off as a kind of inside joke, to watch it grow and become series, to have it become part of the proceedings, and to finally have the money to make it a big deal, only to then be faulted for that. I'm sympathetic!

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        16. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          But things change. Contexts change. Meanings change. You cannot simultaneously be One Of The Regular Guys just hosting a drinks for your friends while simultaneously being one of the richest, most well-known figures in the field. There's an obvious conflict there -

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        17. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          - and that conflict becomes extremely stark and extremely troubling in the context of the Hugos themselves, where the defining celebration of the awards is held somehow *apart* from those awards, under the auspices of a single individual.

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        18. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          Which is why, I believe, what happened with GRRM and the 2020 Hugos livestream happened the way it did. GRRM is *used* to feeling entitled to the stage at the Hugos. There was no losers party, so he used the awards ceremony to tell the stories he usually tells at his own event -

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        19. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          - but at far greater length, with far greater indulgence, and at the expense of that year's nominees. That he was evidently blindsided and thus upset by the criticism he received for it likewise tracks: why would he expect it, when he's never criticised at the afterparty?

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        20. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          It should be no surprise that, after years of autonomously hosting the Hugo losers party, GRRM conflated his entitlement to a stage he paid for with entitlement to the awards themselves. He saw no reason to adjust his schitck, and in doing so insulted and alienated the nominees.

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        21. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          GRRM was hurt by the criticism because, I believe, on some level, he's come to think of the Hugos as *his*, like he's their patron or godfather. He might not decide who gets on the ballot, but he controls the big party that everyone wants to go to, and shouldn't that count?

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        22. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          Which is why, for all I've enjoyed his parties in the past, I say that he now must choose between making the event his legacy and continuing to treat it as a private playground, wherein he reigns as a kindly benefactor, entitled to adoration and time because of status and money.

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        23. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          He could, for instance, turn over the management of the party to the con itself, perhaps by putting some money in trust so that each con, each year can afford to show the nominees and winners a good time. He could be a lifetime guest, honored as a founder - but not as a host.

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        24. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          Alternately, he could take his ball and go home, leaving worldcon to fill the void with an event and budget of their own design; because frankly, an awards ceremony SHOULD have a party! But there would be no legacy in this for him; just an angry end.

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        25. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          Or he could just... keep doing what he's doing, and worldcon can keep letting him: having the singular event associated with the awards run by someone who isn't part of the con every single year, so that the concom can only shrug apologetically whenever there's a cockup.

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        26. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          I appreciate the love GRRM has for the Hugos as an institution, but the institution is not the same as the people who comprise it, who appear on the ballots each year, and when his parties and nostalgic speechifying alienate those people... who or what is he serving, really?

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        27. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          If GRRM and worldcon want the Hugos to both retain the legacy they already have while continuing to have a future, then the issue of how the ceremony is handled, who runs the parties and who is included in both will need to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

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        28. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          FIN.

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        29. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows Apr 15

          minor correction - I somehow typed that GoT was in its first season in 2014 instead of its third. d'oh!

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