But as soon as we bring in gender then YOW the discourse is very discourse And Rose/Pink is an amazing example of that. We don't get many women who are ALLOWED to have that kind of... complexity in their flaws, and without shying away from the damaging impact of those flaw?
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yes! and honestly I think a big part of it is, we're discomforted by social justice origin stories where the person starts out in a position of privilege. and for good reason! but there's still something to unpack there about how we're conflicted about those trajectories.
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like, of course we want privileged people to unpack their shit and understand oppression! but they still come at it from a different place, and just by virtue of upbringing and being a person, they (we) will have initially been complicit in some bullshit.
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I think a lot of people get so angry about the pink diamond reveal because she reminds them of themselves - of *ourselves*, those who are contextually privileged along one axis but oppressed along another, who have tried to do better but still have roots in social privilege.
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explicitly, I'm talking here about white women and white queer folks of all genders. pink diamond's transition to rose quartz is problematic, but realistically so. she fucked up a lot and made a big mess, but her worst sin arguably was lying about herself and her motives -
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- & I think, somewhat ironically, that ends up being reflected in people who get really goddamn vehement about pink and rose (and thus rebecca sugar & SU as a whole) being The Literal Worst because of that reveal without acknowledging their own SJW trajectories as human & flawed
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That makes perfect sense to me! Part of the tragedy of Rose, I guess, for me is that I think she wasn't UNAWARE that she was a problematic trashfire, but that awareness didn't help her STOP, and that's part of what motivated her to be Steven's mother.
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It's like she couldn't figure out how to stop thinking like a Diamond-In-Disguise, except by actually rebooting/fuelling the genesis of someone entirely different.
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On a related note, this reminds me of the ReyLo shouting. On the one hand, the people shouting that anyone shipping ReyLo is condoning/fetishising abuse are... no, calm down, that's not how fanfiction works, and just stop.
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On the OTHER hand, the people saying Kylo is a woobie who has done no wrong uwu are... also troubling? Particularly the people who seem to think that REY is the more problematic/abusive of the two characters? Which loops right back to "oh wow so much of this is Just Gender."
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The personal bugbear I have with ReyLo, aside from all the Nazi imagery, is that it's just... unimaginative. There's *so many* canon ships where a cool girl ends up with a garbage dude, but you needed to ship this one in particular, instead of all the better options? But yeah.
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This is also extremely true. I like that TFA and TLJ joined Ghostbusters and Megamind in explicitly making entitled white-dude mediocrity the villains. Kylo's got a smidge more depth, but it's a smidge.
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