My dude, literally thousands of men who’ve never met Zoe decided to send death death threats and dox them and talk mad violence about them online, and you’re finding it hard to believe that three dudes could be shitheads in person?
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Replying to @fozmeadows @josefkstories
I find it interesting that those three men all accused her of abusive behaviour, but all of you she/hers and he/hims have decided to give her a pass whilst attacking anyone she says she doesn’t like. I WISH you could see how awful that looks from the outside.
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Replying to @Chriss_m @josefkstories
I could say the same about you ignoring the multiple other corroborating accounts of Holowka’s abuse. Also, if we’re talking credible testimony? The guys who started a global hate movement because they were mad at girls in gaming rank low on the list.
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Replying to @fozmeadows @josefkstories
I have no doubt he was abusive. It’s not u heard of that people with personality disorders can act abusively. You don’t fucking deal with that by publicly shaming him 7 fucking years later knowing he’s paranoid and suicidal. What is WRONG with you.
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Replying to @Chriss_m @josefkstories
Actually, if you knew anything about mental health management and abusers who use suicide as a threat, as Holowka did, you’d know that the *wrong* thing to do is capitulate to their demands, because it reinforces their abusive tactic as valid. Zero specialists agree with you.
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Replying to @fozmeadows @josefkstories
Find me a specialist who thinks the best way to deal with it is by driving him to fucking suicide. I can’t deal with you. I honestly find your callousness disgusting. I can’t have this conversation calmly so I’m ending it here.
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Replying to @Chriss_m @josefkstories
I’ll let you tap out, but the point remains that NO SPECIALIST would view a victim speaking up as driving an abuser to suicide. If you can’t grasp that Holowka was responsible for his own actions and Quinn entitled to a voice, that’s your issue, but your claim is wrong.
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Replying to @fozmeadows @josefkstories
No specialist would recommend publicly shaming a paranoid man with a personality disorder who has expressed suicidal ideation. Any specialist would say that a reasonable outcome of that course of action is self-harm. And she’ll always have to bear that responsibility...
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Replying to @Chriss_m @josefkstories
You realise you’re also describing the Jeffrey Epstein, right? Advice about suicidal threats changes with context; his being an abuser *matters,* but you keep acting like he was entitled to silence from his victims because mental illness.
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Replying to @fozmeadows @josefkstories
Absolutely false. His alleged victims had every right to report him to the police. They chose not to. In Scott’s case, because nothing he accuses Alec of is criminal - just the behaviour of someone in distress. In Quinn’s case, because she’s a liar.
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Again, no. I’m gonna end this now, but it’s super clear you have no idea how abusers isolate victims from help, and your concern about mental health is clearly fake, as you don’t care about Holowka’s victims and their PTSD; only how unfair you think this was for him.
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Replying to @fozmeadows @josefkstories
Actually, I have every idea of how they do that. I’ve read Eron Gjoni’s account of being abused. It’s quite rich for you to rant on like that whilst doing everything you can to defend someone accused by at least 5 people of being abusive (including sexually).
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