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Author, fanwriter, trash bandit, queer geek feminist, dork. Jack of all pronouns, mxtress of none. Yells about hockey. Aussie in the US.

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    1. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows @BinJLG

      What I see happen a lot is: fans decide a particular character or pairing is queercoded and/or just wants them to be canon gays, expressing this to the creators; not wanting to be dicks, the creators say "we're happy fandom exists," and fans tinhat this as a covert promise.

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    2. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows

      That does happen, but that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about things like when the text explicitly frames two men or two women as a couple and then pulls a "haha JUST KIDDING THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS CAUSE THEY'RE STRAIGHT."

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    3. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG @fozmeadows

      Like, I'm not a big Sherlock fan and I've never shipped Johnlock, but WOW does that show queerbait its main characters a lot. That is the level of baiting I'm talking about.

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    4. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG

      Stephen Moffat fills me with rage for a number of reasons, and I'd agree that his approach to Sherlock constitutes queerbaiting, or at least gross dickishness.

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    5. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows

      lol same. I'm still curious tho: does fans (especially queer fans) being upset about a creator saying something like "I never intended for X to be gay" when there is a history in the source material of X being queerbaited fit into your theory?

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    6. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG

      I mean, again, material can't queerbait on its own, so it depends if the prior source material is the work of the creator in question. I know it pains us all to admit it, but straight people do exist, and simply saying "I thought this character was straight" is not de facto Bad.

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    7. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows

      I disagree. If material is written to queerbait, the material queerbaits. It's an actual marketing technique and it was used to death in media in the early 2000s. Every man overhears 2 other men and thinks they're talking about sex scene from action movies.

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    8. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG @fozmeadows

      The painful "jokey" queerbaiting in Friends (Phoebe calling Monica and Rachel her bitches if they were in jail and Ross Chandler and Joey having a nap together and freaking out about it come to mind).

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    9. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG @fozmeadows

      Queerbaiting exists in its source material. It can be read with or without the Death of the Author theory. Why shouldn't queer fans be upset about a creator queerbaiting a character consistently and then saying "I never intended this character to be gay?"

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    10. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG @fozmeadows

      Saying material can't queerbait on its own is basically saying "mostly queer fans are silly for seeing queer subtext" whether that subtext is serious or used as a joke and that is just... not a great stance to have about a classically dismissed, marginalized, and silenced group.

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      Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG

      I'm queer myself, and I'm certainly not saying queer fans are silly for seeing subtext: I'm saying the presence of subtext IS NOT INHERENTLY THE SAME THING as queerbaiting, and that the latter is a specific thing done by intent.

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        2. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
          Replying to @fozmeadows @BinJLG

          I also think you're perhaps conflating "queerness as a punchline, no homo" with queerbaiting. These are both tacky, gross concepts, but they are nonetheless *distinct* tacky gross concepts that occasionally have a Venn diagram portion of overlap.

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        3. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
          Replying to @fozmeadows @BinJLG

          For instance: I'd argue Moffat used no homo jokes as part of his overt, intentional queerbaiting, whereas no homo jokes in Friends, like the bitches line from Phoebe, isn't queerbaiting, it's just referencing gayness as a joke.

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