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Author, fanwriter, trash bandit, queer geek feminist, dork. Jack of all pronouns, mxtress of none. Yells about hockey. Aussie in the US.

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    1. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019

      So now you've got creators trying to engage with fans from all different perspectives on a good faith basis, only there's fans explicitly looking to take any comments they make in *bad* faith, because it's Not The Right Take, and if they didn't get THEIR answer, no one can!

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    2. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019

      A common example of this is conflating a brief response made to a single individual with a blanket, all-encompassing take on a related topic. For instance: Creator says they didn't write Character X as gay, therefore Creator is a homophobe! Like I'm just. YOU GUYS.

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    3. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019

      Unless that statement is followed up by some Actual Homophobic Bullshit (TM) such as "this sort of character can never be gay" or "being gay is bad", all you're doing is making a deliberately bad faith leap based on a perfectly neutral - and factual! - statement.

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    4. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows

      Genuine question: what if the author doesn't explicitly say anything homophobic, but the source material has an explicit track record of queerbaiting the character in question?

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    5. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG

      See, I'd argue this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what queerbaiting *is*. Source material *on its own* cannot queerbait - this is an explicit action undertaken by creators, wherein they promise to include queerness and then don't. The term is very misapplied right now.

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    6. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows @BinJLG

      What I see happen a lot is: fans decide a particular character or pairing is queercoded and/or just wants them to be canon gays, expressing this to the creators; not wanting to be dicks, the creators say "we're happy fandom exists," and fans tinhat this as a covert promise.

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    7. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows

      That does happen, but that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about things like when the text explicitly frames two men or two women as a couple and then pulls a "haha JUST KIDDING THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS CAUSE THEY'RE STRAIGHT."

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    8. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG @fozmeadows

      Like, I'm not a big Sherlock fan and I've never shipped Johnlock, but WOW does that show queerbait its main characters a lot. That is the level of baiting I'm talking about.

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    9. Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG

      Stephen Moffat fills me with rage for a number of reasons, and I'd agree that his approach to Sherlock constitutes queerbaiting, or at least gross dickishness.

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    10. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @fozmeadows

      lol same. I'm still curious tho: does fans (especially queer fans) being upset about a creator saying something like "I never intended for X to be gay" when there is a history in the source material of X being queerbaited fit into your theory?

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      Foz Meadows‏ @fozmeadows 9 Jul 2019
      Replying to @BinJLG

      I mean, again, material can't queerbait on its own, so it depends if the prior source material is the work of the creator in question. I know it pains us all to admit it, but straight people do exist, and simply saying "I thought this character was straight" is not de facto Bad.

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        2. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
          Replying to @fozmeadows

          I disagree. If material is written to queerbait, the material queerbaits. It's an actual marketing technique and it was used to death in media in the early 2000s. Every man overhears 2 other men and thinks they're talking about sex scene from action movies.

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        3. A Bit of Both  💚‏ @BinJLG 9 Jul 2019
          Replying to @BinJLG @fozmeadows

          The painful "jokey" queerbaiting in Friends (Phoebe calling Monica and Rachel her bitches if they were in jail and Ross Chandler and Joey having a nap together and freaking out about it come to mind).

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