I DON'T EVEN CARE THAT HE'S THEN LIKE 'OH BEE TEE DUBS UR MUM FUCKED MY DAD AND THAT'S WHY SHE LEFT AND I DID IT BECAUSE ABANDONMENT' LIKE NO, WES/BILLY, IT'S NOT THE ABANDONMENT IT'S THE HATRED OF WOMEN JFC
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when your murderboyfriend tells you he just had sex with the girl you're going to killpic.twitter.com/suCZXmfQEK
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it's perfect on so many levels that these fucking IDIOT KILLERS decide to stab each other BEFORE they do away with sid and her dad like come the fuck ON you painkinky incompetents
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god this film is so EERILY FUCKING PRESCIENT in the most accidental (or at best incidental) ways. while stu sobs about being "sensitive" because his motive is "peer pressure", billy starts screaming that she's a bitch and tearing the couch up. they're the yin/yang of 4chan trolls
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OK, film is now done! Verdict: I think Wes Craven accidentally chronicled the genesis of sexist nerdboy toxicity as a byproduct of being meta about horror tropes - specifically, by asking which characters in a setting would a) have that knowledge and b) act upon it.
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Don't know if I'd agree on the 'accidental' part, but great thread nonetheless.
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I agree. The terms 'fanboy' 'incel' 'toxic masculinity' etc weren't current back then, but Craven (+ Williamson to a degree) knew exactly what he was doing. You don't reboot the horror genre three times (as he did) without being aware of its stories' implications and subtexts.
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I agree, I liked the commentary but the assertion that Craven + Williamson completely skewered these dickheads but it must have been accidental grates a bit. You don't accidentally hit the nail exactly on the head like that.
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I’m thinking of it more as a two birds with one stone scenario: they absolutely skewered them as violent, obnoxious dickheads who thought they were cool and edgy, but the sexist dimensions I think were less the point, given that the film itself uncritically uses sexist tropes
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But your point "it’s not even meant as a satire of toxic nerdboy culture" is wrong I think - it is exactly that and that's why it escalates so perfectly in alignment with that. you're a writer - surely you recognise that things like that don't line up without careful thought.
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I think it's meant to satirise toxic horror nerds, and it does this well; but in doing so, it shows the misogyny underlying a lot of that toxicity, which applies across the board, without expressly acknowledging that misogyny as a key factor to what's being documented.
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