this is probably not meant to be as Murder Boyfriends as it looks AND YETpic.twitter.com/XfoyqnnXl7
Author, fanwriter, trash bandit, queer geek feminist, dork. Jack of all pronouns, mxtress of none. Yells about hockey. Aussie in the US.
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this is probably not meant to be as Murder Boyfriends as it looks AND YETpic.twitter.com/XfoyqnnXl7
Stu: "See, we ask you a question and if you get it wrong, BOOYAH! You die." Billy: "And if you get it right? You die!" AKA, the reason why you don't debate sealioning trolls online. They're Stu and Billy. They don't care if you know the answer; they just want to play the game.
Billy claims they had no motive for killing Sid's mother then SECONDS LATER goes into a misogynistic rant about how he did her a favour because she was a slutbag whore. THIS IS MEANT TO BE A META MOVIE AND YET I SWEAR CRAVEN DIDN'T REALISE THE IRONY. *MISOGYNY* IS THE MOTIVE.
I DON'T EVEN CARE THAT HE'S THEN LIKE 'OH BEE TEE DUBS UR MUM FUCKED MY DAD AND THAT'S WHY SHE LEFT AND I DID IT BECAUSE ABANDONMENT' LIKE NO, WES/BILLY, IT'S NOT THE ABANDONMENT IT'S THE HATRED OF WOMEN JFC
when your murderboyfriend tells you he just had sex with the girl you're going to killpic.twitter.com/suCZXmfQEK
it's perfect on so many levels that these fucking IDIOT KILLERS decide to stab each other BEFORE they do away with sid and her dad like come the fuck ON you painkinky incompetents
god this film is so EERILY FUCKING PRESCIENT in the most accidental (or at best incidental) ways. while stu sobs about being "sensitive" because his motive is "peer pressure", billy starts screaming that she's a bitch and tearing the couch up. they're the yin/yang of 4chan trolls
OK, film is now done! Verdict: I think Wes Craven accidentally chronicled the genesis of sexist nerdboy toxicity as a byproduct of being meta about horror tropes - specifically, by asking which characters in a setting would a) have that knowledge and b) act upon it.
Don't know if I'd agree on the 'accidental' part, but great thread nonetheless.
I agree. The terms 'fanboy' 'incel' 'toxic masculinity' etc weren't current back then, but Craven (+ Williamson to a degree) knew exactly what he was doing. You don't reboot the horror genre three times (as he did) without being aware of its stories' implications and subtexts.
Not necessarily, I'd argue: Deadpool is a meta character and the movies are being done by self-aware, meta-fluent dudes, but Reynolds said he'd never heard of women in refrigerators when Deadpool 2 was criticised for using that trope. Ditto Joss Whedon's pop culture racefails.
What I'm saying is, while reading more about Williamson and Craven might make me think this commentary was deliberate, I don't accept that a love of tropes and meta all by itself means that a writer has no blind spots about tropes and meta, especially re sexism.
You don't have to have a working knowledge of "tropes" and "meta" and/or manipulate them deliberately for your work to home in on psychological truths. Craven was a former Humanities professor. Just because we didn't use the term "woke" back then doesn't mean he wasn't woke.
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