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Liberal senator David Fawcett asks if he agrees the raids on a journos home were searches and not raids. Reid: "No. If it looks like a raid and feels like a raid, then it's probably a raid."

This goes back to what the AFP told the committee earlier, where they argued they don't do raids they "execute search warrants".

News Corp's Reid says his blood ran cold when he heard Home Affairs didn't know how many warrants were out on journalists, he'd assumed there'd be only a handful. "The answer seems to suggest otherwise."

Nine's regulatory affairs director Clare Gill: "I think the fact that they don't track the number [of warrants] is a cultural issue." She says if critical thought was being used, then they would track the number of warrants on journos.

Senator Abetz is asking if journos still get copyright payments, couple of heads shaking there. We got a flat copyright payment at the Canberra Times. #JoinYourUnion.

I'm trying to get at what Abetz was getting at there.

Now talking on defamation law and its effect on press freedom. ABC's Maley says in some areas, journos are "defending imputations that we didn't intend or we don't believe we made".

Abetz asks if he could suggest that it's defamation laws and not national security laws that are weighing more heavily on reporters minds. A few nods on that.

Free TV chief executive Bridget Fair has asked if we can get back to talking about the national security laws impact on press freedom.

And they're done. Law Council of Australia is up next.