It's clear to me that language (la langue, pas le langage) has significant influence on thought -- on what one can think, and on how one thinks
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But remarkably, humans are able to express roughly the same ideas across languages, cultures, and time. Language does not create these thoughts; they could arise in any expression medium (including non-verbal). Language differences are a cognitive tint, not a cognitive rift.
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The medium has always great influence on the message -- being a writer steers you towards a certain kind of stories, being a filmmaker steers you towards a different kind. But in any medium, you can still tell roughly the same stories, express the same ideas -- in different ways
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Makes me think of https://arxiv.org/abs/1710.11041
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totally agree. I have seen different cultures separated by oceans (without any contact whatsoever) come to the same conclusion and working solution. Does that mean the next time I am in paris the waiter is going to treat me well?
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There was a case with a patient who (at times) lost all language skills - including internal dialogue, but could still handle complex situations. Also, other animals - from chimps to ravens can show planning - presumably without language.
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I doubt many researchers in this field would agree with you that animals don’t have language (no doubt, though, that they don’t have *human* language). Of course answering what language is is tricky to begin with..
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But maybe this is because societies/peoples gravitate towards languages which can adequately express these common ideas? BTW if you are not familiar with Wittgenstein, he dedicated his life to studying this question “how does language effect thought”
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Maybe we disagree on the definition of 'language'. Any 'expression medium' that can communicate ideas is a language. Language is intimately related to our ability to create and find meanings. This ability is a fundamental part of our intelligence.
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The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis isn't wholly true, nor is it false. It's a lot more nuanced than that- some thoughts are universal, others shaped by language. Here's a great article about it | Utopian for Beginners - The New Yorker http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/12/24/utopian-for-beginners …
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