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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 2 Dec 2017

    Sophistic musing: if civilizations could expand at exponential rates, rather than sigmoidally (locally) or linearly (long-term), we would have been in touch with aliens by now

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      2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 2 Dec 2017

        If you assume energy consumption at current human levels, and a growth rate of ~3% per year (current), it would take ~2,500 years for us to consume all of the stars in the galaxy

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      3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 2 Dec 2017

        So a single civilization going exponential anywhere in the galaxy at least 2,500 years ago would have consumed our sun by now

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      4. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 2 Dec 2017

        Even taking into account the speed of light as a hard limit on expansion, it would still only take on the order of 100k years -- less than the age of humanity

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      2. Stephane Senecal‏ @StephaneSenecal 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @fchollet

        "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us." Quote from Bill Watterson ;-)

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      3. Tarin Ziyaee‏ @tarinziyaee 2 Dec 2017
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        😂

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      1. Alex M‏ @SimplyHarmonic 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @fchollet

        The Fermi Paradox is a thought experiment along these lines. I don’t think it even requires exponential expansion, linear is just fine over astronomical time scales. “Where is everyone?”

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      1. Mitch Harris‏ @MaharriT 2 Dec 2017
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        I think this really just means you should take this as saying civilizations just cannot sustain exponential growth

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      1. Jonathan‏ @ExoWanderer 2 Dec 2017
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        I always assume that civilizations expand in a locally Gaussian behavior. They curve up and the fall down, sometimes in multiple dimensions. So even a linear growth would assume too much sustained progress for my model.

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      1. Ran Reichman‏ @ranreichman 2 Dec 2017
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        Why would this hyper-advanced civilization care about humans or interact with them in any way?

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      2. visarga‏ @visarga 2 Dec 2017
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        Maybe aliens are navel-gazing (focused on living in simulations because the real world is just too simple for them).

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      3. Anna Gát  🧭 ·  ✈️ NYC, SF, DC  👋‏ @TheAnnaGat 2 Dec 2017
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        Just as *we* are navel-gazing! (Probably all civilisations are, alas. --- Then get to point where space exploration becomes possible. Then terminate themselves before it succeeds. Joy.)

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