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    1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Oct 20

      François Chollet Retweeted Khalid Saifullah

      And why would you restrict yourself to the original encoding space and to the Euclidean distance? These are completely arbitrary choices (and completely biased). There's an infinity of possibly encodings of the data you could have chosen, and an infinity of distance functions.https://twitter.com/k_saifullaah/status/1409972975835566081 …

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      Khalid Saifullah @k_saifullaah
      Replying to @fchollet
      Kinda puzzled with this and @ylecun's extrapolation idea, Like, a sample from my validation set isn't a linear combination of my training set, then how can I call it interpolation and not extrapolation?
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    2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Oct 20

      Perhaps a different culture would always present data on a sphere and would use geodesic distance as the default. I don't know! There should no reason whatsoever to expect an arbitrary encoding and an arbitrary distance to result in an interpolative problem space.

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Oct 20

      The correct encoding and distance to use is of course the ones that are natural to the data -- that is to say, the latent manifold of the data. Which *is* an interpolative space for many problems (hence why deep learning models are able to generalize).

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        1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Oct 20

          Saying "I expect the problem to be linearly interpolative in the original encoding space" is equivalent to saying "linear regression with *no* feature engineering is enough to solve any prediction problem." Which we have known to be nonsensical since long before computers existed

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        1. Sergei Kalinin‏ @Sergei_Imaging Oct 20
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          And why mathematics in physical sciences is unreasonably effective:)

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Oct 20
          Replying to @fchollet

          There is an additional factor: while the function used to describe the data should allow a natural representation of the latent space, the function needs also be efficient to discover, construct, parameterize and represent. (That's why Euclidean representations are ubiquitous.)

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        3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Oct 20
          Replying to @Plinz

          Absolutely! You can't leverage the latent manifold (or rather, an approximation of it) unless you can represent it (easy part) and learn it (hard part).

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