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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Sep 19

    A widespread misconception about ML is that models are neutral/objective & just reflect the data fed into them. Modeling choices encode strong assumptions about the data, and further, the way you use your model in your application reflects your own understanding of the problem.

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      1. No thanks honey‏ @NoThanksHoney1 Sep 19
        Replying to @fchollet

        Yes and since they output the target value and store not a causal relation/association to explain the situation and take an action to approach the goal situation, the network technically doesn't learn but regress. It is in its current form a nonlinear curve fitter.

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      1. TommyElliott‏ @Muay_Khaoboy Sep 19
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        The creation of a model is the creation of a narrative, because algorithms are just expressions of mathematical relationships. For them to have any meaning humans must impute a causal effect from inputs to outputs. That’s not necessarily a value neutral decision.

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      1. Kiril Chilingarashvili‏ @kirilchi Sep 19
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        Interesting timing, Was reading this paper today: https://ftp.cs.ucla.edu/pub/stat_ser/r391-reprint.pdf … At least in Causal Inference papers it is called out explicitly as "assumptions".pic.twitter.com/mY7XzoqzCm

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      1. Samuel Rustan‏ @samrustan Sep 19
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        Who doesn’t know this at this point?

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      1. Don Banq‏ @banqjdon Sep 19
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        problem vs. solution

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      1. Sandro Manke (闪山)‏ @2dbrain Sep 19
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        Not just ml has this problem but all of statistics does. Both the stats themselves due to bias when creating them as also all the fun bias of the viewers which is even more intense. Communication with facts and numbers is hard. This is why scientific method is so stringent.

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      2. Umair Khawaja‏ @umairkhawajaa Sep 19
        Replying to @fchollet

        Can you elaborate what you mean by "modelling choices"? Perhaps an example and how/what kinds of assumptions it might encode?

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      3. Antonis‏ @antgr81 Sep 21
        Replying to @umairkhawajaa @fchollet

        I would like an answer to this as well

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      1. Anand Sampat‏ @AnandSampat Sep 19
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        ML bias comes from 3 sources (though not completely independent) - data, model, and the builder

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      1. Jonas Andrulis‏ @JonasAndrulis Sep 19
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        Especially true for supervised models that break the world into seemingly arbitrary chunks of observation.

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