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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Aug 10

    It doesn't take 10,000 hours of deliberate practice to master a skill. Obviously it depends on the difficulty & breadth of the skill, what you already know, and how smart you are. Typically it seems to range between 200 & 2000 hours, but there's a long tail of much greater times.

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      1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Aug 10

        Also, a good curriculum and well-optimized learning practices (like spaced repetition and mind maps) can easily cut your total time by 3-4x.

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      1. GR-TheArchitect‏ @GrThearchitect Aug 10
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        You’re probably referring to Gladwell’s book Outliers and the 10,000 hours. He apparently misunderstood the concept. Anders Ericsson explains it all in his awesome book Peak. Also Goleman has a chapter on it in his book Focus.

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      1. D. A. Sullivan‏ @DASullivanBroke Aug 10
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        The whole 10 000 hours thing from the beginning felt like trope to sell books.

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      1. Steve‏ @FlyClover Aug 10
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        Teacher matters as well. A great teacher saves you ton of time.

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      2. Luiz GUStavo  💉 💉 🎉‏ @gusthema Aug 10
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        I think it also depends on how honest you are with yourself. If you understand how good/bad you are at something and how close to the reality your assessment is, it will change drastically how long it will take for you to learn and witch kind of practice you'll take or skip.

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      3. Jakub Siekiera‏ @jcob_sikorski Aug 10
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        I think that it really depends on being honest with yourself that you're truly curious and excited about this subject otherwise forcing yourself can take away the pleasure from picking up new skill and waste your time.

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      1. Karol Licho Trzeszczkowski  🪐‏ @KTrzeszczkowski Aug 10
        Replying to @fchollet

        200 hours is barely a single semester without counting personal work. It's a ridiculous number. What can be mastered in a single semester? Multiplication of numbers from 1 to 10?

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      1. Josh Furman‏ @furman_josh Aug 10
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        I think “iterations” is a better fit for the unit of measure as doing the thing is more important than time spent doing the thing

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      1. The Strategic Optimist‏ @The_S_Optimist Aug 10
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        The Strategic Optimist Retweeted François Chollet

        Peak performance requires time spent in a flow-like mode where focus and learning become effortless.https://twitter.com/fchollet/status/1425145624605777924 …

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        François CholletVerified account @fchollet
        It doesn't take 10,000 hours of deliberate practice to master a skill. Obviously it depends on the difficulty & breadth of the skill, what you already know, and how smart you are. Typically it seems to range between 200 & 2000 hours, but there's a long tail of much greater times.
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      2. Jim Lloyd‏ @JimLloyd Aug 10
        Replying to @fchollet

        I think “skill” and “master” are too poorly defined here to assess this claim. How many hours does it take to be a world-class musician, chess/go player, juggler? I suspect that 2000 is not enough.

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      3. Anibal‏ @AnibalAndrade_ Aug 10
        Replying to @JimLloyd @fchollet

        I feel that putting a number of hours is worthless, there are many variables at play, someone with the right genetics and practice could do it in 2,000, whereas if I decided to be a world-class singer not even in a million years 😫

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