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    1. Karl Higley‏ @karlhigley Jul 12

      Karl Higley Retweeted François Chollet

      These functional API advantages seem like they could also be implemented in a sub-classing style (though they haven’t been yet.) Classes are perfectly capable of holding/serializing/being reconstructed from data structures, including graphs and input shapes. What am I missing?https://twitter.com/fchollet/status/1414667159326715908 …

      Karl Higley added,

      François CholletVerified account @fchollet
      But there are several key advantages of the Functional approach over the subclassing approach: 1. Your model has known inputs shapes. 2. You get access to the internal connectivity graph. 3. The model is a data structure, not a piece of bytecode. Let's see what these are about.
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    2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Jul 12
      Replying to @karlhigley

      You mean, implementing a one-off version of the Functional Model class every time you make a new model? Doesn't seem very scalable. If your model is defined in the body of the `call` method, then it's made of bytecode. Turning it into an actual graph will require extra work.

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    3. Karl Higley‏ @karlhigley Jul 12
      Replying to @fchollet

      Well, no, I mean that in concept at least, a base class that provides functionality for building layers up into graphs that isn’t defined in the `call` method (even if it runs there) seems possible.

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    4. Karl Higley‏ @karlhigley Jul 12
      Replying to @karlhigley @fchollet

      And building up a serializable data structure like a graph of layers doesn’t seem to have an inherent relationship with either functional or sub-classing *styles* (even if it is currently substantially easier to do with one API than the other.)

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    5. Karl Higley‏ @karlhigley Jul 12
      Replying to @karlhigley @fchollet

      I mean, maybe I’m wrong here and there is a dependency I’m not thinking of. I’m just trying to peel apart how much the current advantages of the functional API are inherent to the style and how much they’re just a reflection of the current state of the world (which could change.)

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    6. Karl Higley‏ @karlhigley Jul 12
      Replying to @karlhigley @fchollet

      Personally, I like the sub-classing style, but the advantages you cited of the functional API are real and important, so I’m thinking about what it would look like if the sub-classing style had them too.

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    7. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Jul 12
      Replying to @karlhigley

      I see, I think you may be thinking of the following style -- basically a Functional model, but defined by subclassing the `Model` class (which is useful for packaging and for adding/overriding methods, like `train_step`/ etcpic.twitter.com/dG7XxxtCo8

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Jul 12
      Replying to @fchollet @karlhigley

      But if you want to decouple these extra methods from the model-definition style, you can also just do this:pic.twitter.com/M9QerkFCJ0

      2:11 PM - 12 Jul 2021
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