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Deep learning @google. Creator of Keras. Author of 'Deep Learning with Python'. Opinions are my own.

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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet Jul 2

    I wonder how much more science could achieve if the research community had a culture of rewarding and celebrating collective achievements, instead of individual credit-taking and flag-planting

    12:36 PM - 2 Jul 2021
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      1. Phil Culliton‏ @PhilCulliton Jul 2
        Replying to @fchollet

        We'd likely make more substantial achievements if we all worked together. @mmitchell_ai had a great thread a couple weeks ago about (in part) incentivizing responsible approaches to AI. I think we're bound up in resource silos that force an unhealthy optimization toward "wins".

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      1. kuykendall‏ @thekuykendall Jul 2
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        “It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.” -Harry S. Truman

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      1. Omar Sanseviero‏ @osanseviero Jul 2
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        This is what @BigscienceW is all about!

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      2. Christopher Akiki‏ @christopher Jul 2
        Replying to @fchollet

        Probably more papers with 5,154 authors. https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.114.191803 … The BibTex entry:pic.twitter.com/szFOUd7JHx

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      3. Avijit Thawani‏ @thawani_avijit Jul 2
        Replying to @christopher @fchollet

        hmmm... what if we just came up with a different metric, broader than citations which also encompasses collective contributions somehow, e.g., if I tried X and failed, that might have helped you try Y and succeed instead of having to try X and fail!

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      1. David Cournapeau‏ @cournape Jul 2
        Replying to @fchollet

        Did you read Braben’s book “scientific freedom, …” on his experience funding research at BP ? He was arguing for the opposite in the context of funding: fund individuals and ideas, not projects. I did not think the book was great, but it had a few worthwhile arguments

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      1. Nitin Rai‏ @nitindominic5 Jul 2
        Replying to @fchollet

        It is simply because of the reason that people steal "ideas". How nice it would have been if we could just stick to our integrity for not doing such thing? Just a thought and sharing!!!😬😀

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      2. Alec Helbling‏ @alec_helbling Jul 2
        Replying to @fchollet

        This seems to be a reflection of the general human tendency to hero worship individuals instead of groups for collective accomplishments. For example, the praise of Neil Armstrong as opposed to the general NASA community.

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      3. Alec Helbling‏ @alec_helbling Jul 2
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        Do you think the hope of becoming one of these individuals (Nobel, Turing Laureate) is a primary motivator of the scientific community, making individual accolades necessary to encourage collective scientific progress?

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      1. Julius Frost‏ @Julius_Frost Jul 2
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        If the research community was more properly funded, then the issue may be alleviated as publications aren't the lifeline of a researcher's career

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