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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 19 Dec 2020

    IMO trying to gamify anything that isn't an actual game is more likely to turn out dystopian than to be effective

    5:56 PM - 19 Dec 2020
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      2. 4tian‏ @4tian 19 Dec 2020
        Replying to @fchollet

        +1

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      3. Bjorke uıʌǝʞ‏ @bjorke 20 Dec 2020
        Replying to @4tian @fchollet

        ...because, you know, points. +1

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      1. Justin Harvey‏ @jarv_ey 19 Dec 2020
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        Abstraction layers between value and reward are the root of many ills

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      2. Jugurtha Hadjar‏ @jugurthahadjar 19 Dec 2020
        Replying to @fchollet

        Aren't games constructs? Something becomes a game when someone makes it so. There is a before, and an after.

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      3. Jugurtha Hadjar‏ @jugurthahadjar 19 Dec 2020
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        In other words, is there an intrinsic property that games possess that "non games" don't?

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      2. Greg Linden‏ @greglinden 19 Dec 2020
        Replying to @fchollet

        I'd say Duolingo is a fairly good counter-example. What do you think of it? But I do agree that if the goal of gamifying something is manipulating people, not helping people do what they want, it's going to turn out dystopian.

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      3. Maxwell Frey‏ @FreyMaxwell 19 Dec 2020
        Replying to @greglinden @fchollet

        The problem with duolingo is that my friends with 300+ day streaks still can’t speak Spanish

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      1. kernicus‏ @kernicus 19 Dec 2020
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        Gamifying hunger seems to be something that could work.

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      2. Peter Howell‏ @peterhowell 19 Dec 2020
        Replying to @fchollet

        I tend to agree with this but what about exercise?

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      3. Erik Neu‏ @ErikNeu 20 Dec 2020
        Replying to @peterhowell @fchollet

        Ditto. I personallly detest gamification, but to a limited extent, some people sometimes seem to like it.

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