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    1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 21 Nov 2020

      One of the most difficult things to master in a foreign language: cases where the target language uses multiple words (subcategories) for a concept for which your previous languages only have one word. You're simply not used to parse reality into these new subcategories.

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 21 Nov 2020

      A simple example would be counters in Japanese. In European languages, a counter is just a number, so you would say, "three birds, three peanuts, three sheets of paper, three pens, three cars". In Japanese, a counter conveys not just quantity but also various object properties

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      • Igor Kaplanovic heyitscoco DisciplineResource jamis ✨ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ✨ plzr maxi Lakshay Sagar Rana Аномалия angel J. Rosenbaum (they/them) 💉💉 John Eckstein 🧘🏻‍♀️
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        2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 21 Nov 2020

          So you would say, sanba (birds and bunnies), sanko (generic small thing), sanmai (flat thing), sanbon (cylindrical thing), sandai (large vehicle), etc. In fact there are more distinct counters than I can count. It takes a long time to get used to these distinctions

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        3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 21 Nov 2020

          There's even a counter specifically for chopsticks. Even though they're cylindrical objects, chopsticks are their own semantic category within cylinder-like things

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        4. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 21 Nov 2020

          Also birds and bunnies are a distinct category within animals, so while there's an animal counter, birds and bunnies have their own specific counter. Bunnies are a type of bird 🐦

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        2. Quentin Hardy‏Verified account @qhardy 21 Nov 2020
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          Thai does that too.

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        3. I-Kang Ding, Ph.D.‏ @ikding 21 Nov 2020
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          As do Mandarin Chinese!

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        1. Pavlos Papageorgiou‏ @PavlosProkopeas 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @fchollet

          Greek doesn't have words for hand or foot. The common everyday words mean any part of the arm/hand or leg/foot.

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        1. Phaedrus‏ @Stardustman42 21 Nov 2020
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          @Azikara

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        1. Steliyan Georgiev‏ @steliyan 21 Nov 2020
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          This fails even 1NF

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        1. Tristan Whitehead‏ @Azikara 21 Nov 2020
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          Yes, but the generic still gets you by. I asked a sushi chef for ‘nikan’ (2 pieces of sushi) thinking I was being correct and he confirmed with me in the generic: ‘futatsu?’

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        2. Andreas Schallwig‏ @potatoandy 21 Nov 2020
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          It’s the same concept in Mandarin Chinese to use measure words. The trick is to just not think about it, but to learn the measure word as part of the word. Same as you’d learn a word is “male”, “female” or “neutral” in German

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        3. Andreas Schallwig‏ @potatoandy 22 Nov 2020
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          Context in general is super important for Manadarin. I always thought that with so many words just sounding the same, you’d be lost without it, and measure words help a lot as they add context

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