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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Oct 2020

    It's easy to use deep learning to generate notes that sound like music, in the same way that it's easy to generate text that looks like natural language. But it's nearly impossible to generate *good* music that way, much like you can't generate a good 2-page story or poem

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      2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Oct 2020

        With two caveats: 1. Plagiarism. If you near-copy large chunks of a good piece, these chunks will be good. 2. Large-scale curation. If you generate thousands of samples and hand-pick the best, they may be good by happenstance (especially for music, where the space is smaller)

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      3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Oct 2020

        However, algorithms (and ML in particular) absolutely do have a role to play in music creation. What's broken is the general approach of statistical mimicry, e.g. raw deep learning. To generate good music programmatically, you need an algorithmic model of what makes music good.

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      4. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Oct 2020

        If you understand what makes music good with a sufficient level of clarity, you can express it in rules form, and seek to algorithmically maximize this greatness factor.

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      5. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Oct 2020

        As usual with AI, this requires first understanding the subject matter by yourself, instead of blindly throwing a large dataset at a large model -- an approach which could only ever achieve local interpolation. Find the model, don't just fit a curve.

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      1. Maxim‏ @maxim_leon 24 Oct 2020
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        good piece of music or text usually express something meaningful semantics

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      2. 𒇷 𒁯𒅗‏ @Lee__Drake 24 Oct 2020
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        Has anyone tried a GAN for this?

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      3. 𒇷 𒁯𒅗‏ @Lee__Drake 24 Oct 2020
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        I guess what I’m thinking is this: gave the discriminator pick a music type (I’d vote for NIN, but just a conversation starter) and then judge what music from the generator matches it.

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      1. Itay‏ @TheRandomMtrix 24 Oct 2020
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        The reason is that good literature/music are extremely rare. while deep learning implicitly assume "elliptical distributions" (errorwise) , De Maupassant, Christian Andersen, Aesop, O. Henry, Chekhov, Boccaccio lived among many others writers .

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      1. Martin Dinov‏ @martin_dinov 24 Oct 2020
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        It's all in the pauses between the notes, and the nuances and oddities of language. We'll master those with ML, along with some amount of heuristics, but not yet. Not quite yet.

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      1. Cep‏ @Teejip 24 Oct 2020
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        Are there not many similarities with everyday tasks where people are actually applying creativity to mundane tasks like doing the washing for instance. Even interpretation of law could be creative. Never mind writing it.

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