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Deep learning @google. Creator of Keras. Author of 'Deep Learning with Python'. Opinions are my own.

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    1. Julian Togelius‏ @togelius 6 May 2020

      Reinforcement learning is a paradigm that will eventually be superseded. We just haven't figured out what the new, more generally useful, paradigm is yet. When we do, there's going to be a revolution. It will be very interesting.

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    2. Thomas G. Dietterich‏ @tdietterich 6 May 2020
      Replying to @togelius

      Is your issue with the problem formulation or with the current set of algorithms? Most of your critique seems aimed at the algorithms, not the formalism.

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    3. Julian Togelius‏ @togelius 6 May 2020
      Replying to @tdietterich

      It's really about the problem formulation. I think it's holding us back.

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    4. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 6 May 2020
      Replying to @togelius @tdietterich

      The algos are inadequate to address the problem formulation, and the problem is misleading & counter-productive (in particular reward maximization, static separation between agent & environment, lack of distinction between behavior programs & behavior program generation)

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    5. Thomas G. Dietterich‏ @tdietterich 6 May 2020
      Replying to @fchollet @togelius

      @fchollet please say more about your last two items: Why is separation between the agent and the environment a problem? What is the distinction between behavior programs and behavior program generation that we need?

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 6 May 2020
      Replying to @tdietterich @togelius

      1) An agent is not a static set of possible actions and reward variables. Its affordances change over time: the environment becomes part of the agent. A clever agent will actively seek to gradually *own (absorb) more of the environment* over time.

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        2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 6 May 2020
          Replying to @fchollet @tdietterich @togelius

          2) this emphasizes task-specific skill, which is useless (no one needs a program that plays Pacman) as opposed to algos capable of acquiring arbitrary skills. Which is why deep RL still achieves close to 0 generalization after all these years: generalization was never encouraged.

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        3. Thomas G. Dietterich‏ @tdietterich 6 May 2020
          Replying to @fchollet @togelius

          You must have a more general (!) notion of generalization in mind. AlphaGo certainly can generalize to Go positions that it has never seen during training. That is the form of generalization we have been trying to achieve for many years.

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        2. Anna Koop‏ @annakoop 7 May 2020
          Replying to @fchollet @tdietterich @togelius

          I think there are interesting developments in the future wrt the "boundary" between agent and environment. Embodiment, offloading cognition onto the environment, tool use---none of these are fully captured by the agent/env diagram.But it doesn't preclude them either.

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        3. ifrit‏ @metadiogenes 8 May 2020
          Replying to @annakoop @fchollet and

          This is a great illustration -- tool use, offboard cognition, etc. are great examples of how agency is artifactual. We're transforming parts of our environment into parts of the circuit of agency. Need a fully embedded view of agency.

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        2. ifrit‏ @metadiogenes 8 May 2020
          Replying to @fchollet @Aelkus and

          Do you think there are any frameworks of agency which properly embed the agent within an environment & allow this change in capacity/boundary? For me this is an issue with how Friston's FEP work is framed; I think the Causal Entropic Forces generalizes over this boundary, helps.

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