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    1. Smerity‏ @Smerity 13 Feb 2020

      Smerity Retweeted Ben Hamner

      I am irrationally excited about this. @fchollet has asked a set of fundamentally interesting questions with ARC and I'll be playing for fun! It's like Sudoku for AI addicts ;) (n.b. I personally got many examples wrong - huzzah, a dataset where you question your own cognition 😅)https://twitter.com/benhamner/status/1228070207400202240 …

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      Ben HamnerVerified account @benhamner
      We just launched the toughest @kaggle competition in a long time with @fchollet. Can software learn to generalize complex, abstract tasks from a tiny number of examples? Easy to get started on, and a good result would mean a substantial leap forward in AI https://www.kaggle.com/c/abstraction-and-reasoning-challenge/overview …
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    2. Dileep George‏ @dileeplearning 13 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Smerity @fchollet

      How is this asking fundamentally different questions from our prior work on this? Of course it is cool to have kaggle competitions on it, but I am asking about how the scientific setting is fundamentally different. https://www.vicarious.com/2019/01/18/a-thought-is-a-program/ …

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    3. Smerity‏ @Smerity 14 Feb 2020
      Replying to @dileeplearning @fchollet

      I'm going to respond assuming good faith (^_^) but I said "fundamentally interesting" not "fundamentally different" and your tone/responses feel like attacks vs discussion of the work. I still think it is fundamentally different to your cited work however:

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    4. Smerity‏ @Smerity 14 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Smerity @dileeplearning @fchollet

      These types of challenges have long existed (Blocks world / SHRDLU) and your work is an interesting addition + real world robotics. None of the examples I have found so far in yours (including supplementary materials) appear personally challenging though. https://robotics.sciencemag.org/content/robotics/suppl/2019/01/14/4.26.eaav3150.DC1/aav3150_SM.pdf …pic.twitter.com/mkmOJYjmO0

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Dileep George‏ @dileeplearning 14 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Smerity @fchollet

      Why is "personally challenging" the right criterion? In Fig 1. of our paper we show an example that I am sure you'll find personally challenging, and we argue why those are not the problems to focus on.pic.twitter.com/7CnDhVWDxN

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    6. Smerity‏ @Smerity 14 Feb 2020
      Replying to @dileeplearning @fchollet

      Personally challenging is an interesting criterion for me: - "Sudoku" reference (fun) - They're non-trivial tests of skills I'd consider logical reasoning - I'd expect a fellow human to pick them up even if not formulaic - Programmed solutions are likely non-trivial

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Dileep George‏ @dileeplearning 14 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Smerity @fchollet

      Sure. Those I find personally interesting too, but they could be arbitrary and cultural. For eg. "fill blue in all objects with fibonacci number of corners" is an interesting concept, but requires quite a bit of eduction.

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    8. Smerity‏ @Smerity 14 Feb 2020
      Replying to @dileeplearning @fchollet

      None of the challenges I've found in ARC so far require importing a concept such as Fibonacci. Part of the aim of ARC is that it's self descriptive. ARC does involve counting, sorting, etc, but I would argue those are "built-ins" when it comes to human cognition at this level.

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 14 Feb 2020
      Replying to @Smerity @dileeplearning

      Counting/numbers was identified by Spelke as an innate Core Knowledge system, shared by humans and non-human primates. That's why it is featured in ARC

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        1. Dileep George‏ @dileeplearning 14 Feb 2020
          Replying to @fchollet @Smerity

          was it subitizing or counting? They are different.

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        2. Dileep George‏ @dileeplearning 14 Feb 2020
          Replying to @fchollet @Smerity

          This is the same Spelke we are talking about?pic.twitter.com/lj5J3BdBEA

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        3. Carlos E. Perez‏ @IntuitMachine 14 Feb 2020
          Replying to @dileeplearning @fchollet @Smerity

          I notice that it is a common bias among analytics types that assume many learned skills are innate. What's innate among humans is an approximate number system. I agree here that counting is cultural evolution artifact.

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        2. Verony‏ @elanor369 14 Feb 2020
          Replying to @fchollet @Smerity @dileeplearning

          I think our innate core knowledge system is primarily visual. Words/numbers are secondary and they are dependent on and conjure up a visual representation. The name given to a number enables us to be sure that we are talking about the same thing when we communicate together...

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        3. Dileep George‏ @dileeplearning 14 Feb 2020
          Replying to @elanor369 @fchollet @Smerity

          In sighted people, yes. This is also why we called our architecture Visual Cognitive Computer. How to represent (and learn) the core knowledge is part of the problem to be solved. The innate biases are not a direct hard-coding of core knowledge.

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