Skip to content
By using Twitter’s services you agree to our Cookies Use. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for analytics, personalisation, and ads.
  • Home Home Home, current page.
  • About

Saved searches

  • Remove
  • In this conversation
    Verified accountProtected Tweets @
Suggested users
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Language: English
    • Bahasa Indonesia
    • Bahasa Melayu
    • Català
    • Čeština
    • Dansk
    • Deutsch
    • English UK
    • Español
    • Filipino
    • Français
    • Hrvatski
    • Italiano
    • Magyar
    • Nederlands
    • Norsk
    • Polski
    • Português
    • Română
    • Slovenčina
    • Suomi
    • Svenska
    • Tiếng Việt
    • Türkçe
    • Ελληνικά
    • Български език
    • Русский
    • Српски
    • Українська мова
    • עִבְרִית
    • العربية
    • فارسی
    • मराठी
    • हिन्दी
    • বাংলা
    • ગુજરાતી
    • தமிழ்
    • ಕನ್ನಡ
    • ภาษาไทย
    • 한국어
    • 日本語
    • 简体中文
    • 繁體中文
  • Have an account? Log in
    Have an account?
    · Forgot password?

    New to Twitter?
    Sign up
fchollet's profile
François Chollet
François Chollet
François Chollet
Verified account
@fchollet

Tweets

François CholletVerified account

@fchollet

Deep learning @google. Creator of Keras. Author of 'Deep Learning with Python'. Opinions are my own.

United States
fchollet.com
Joined August 2009

Tweets

  • © 2021 Twitter
  • About
  • Help Center
  • Terms
  • Privacy policy
  • Cookies
  • Ads info
Dismiss
Previous
Next

Go to a person's profile

Saved searches

  • Remove
  • In this conversation
    Verified accountProtected Tweets @
Suggested users
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @

Promote this Tweet

Block

  • Tweet with a location

    You can add location information to your Tweets, such as your city or precise location, from the web and via third-party applications. You always have the option to delete your Tweet location history. Learn more

    Your lists

    Create a new list


    Under 100 characters, optional

    Privacy

    Copy link to Tweet

    Embed this Tweet

    Embed this Video

    Add this Tweet to your website by copying the code below. Learn more

    Add this video to your website by copying the code below. Learn more

    Hmm, there was a problem reaching the server.

    By embedding Twitter content in your website or app, you are agreeing to the Twitter Developer Agreement and Developer Policy.

    Preview

    Why you're seeing this ad

    Log in to Twitter

    · Forgot password?
    Don't have an account? Sign up »

    Sign up for Twitter

    Not on Twitter? Sign up, tune into the things you care about, and get updates as they happen.

    Sign up
    Have an account? Log in »

    Two-way (sending and receiving) short codes:

    Country Code For customers of
    United States 40404 (any)
    Canada 21212 (any)
    United Kingdom 86444 Vodafone, Orange, 3, O2
    Brazil 40404 Nextel, TIM
    Haiti 40404 Digicel, Voila
    Ireland 51210 Vodafone, O2
    India 53000 Bharti Airtel, Videocon, Reliance
    Indonesia 89887 AXIS, 3, Telkomsel, Indosat, XL Axiata
    Italy 4880804 Wind
    3424486444 Vodafone
    » See SMS short codes for other countries

    Confirmation

     

    Welcome home!

    This timeline is where you’ll spend most of your time, getting instant updates about what matters to you.

    Tweets not working for you?

    Hover over the profile pic and click the Following button to unfollow any account.

    Say a lot with a little

    When you see a Tweet you love, tap the heart — it lets the person who wrote it know you shared the love.

    Spread the word

    The fastest way to share someone else’s Tweet with your followers is with a Retweet. Tap the icon to send it instantly.

    Join the conversation

    Add your thoughts about any Tweet with a Reply. Find a topic you’re passionate about, and jump right in.

    Learn the latest

    Get instant insight into what people are talking about now.

    Get more of what you love

    Follow more accounts to get instant updates about topics you care about.

    Find what's happening

    See the latest conversations about any topic instantly.

    Never miss a Moment

    Catch up instantly on the best stories happening as they unfold.

    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Sep 2019

    There are lots of blog posts out there claiming to teach you how to use deep learning (typically RNNs) to predict stock prices, FX rates, BTC price, from past price data. Is it actually possible? Well, mostly not. A thread.

    10:17 AM - 27 Sep 2019
    • 364 Retweets
    • 1,163 Likes
    • Hakan Uysal Sabbiu Shah Tapan jain Mohammad Bayazi Nick++ Luca Ambrogioni dan Vladimir Pestov Billy Boy
    40 replies 364 retweets 1,163 likes
      1. New conversation
      2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Sep 2019

        All successful trading is information arbitraging: exploiting a piece of information others don't know (or won't/can't use). That's because market are dynamic: trading a signal erases the signal.

        4 replies 17 retweets 158 likes
        Show this thread
      3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Sep 2019

        If any given source of information or model (e.g. Bollinger bands) becomes known to more than a few players, it stops being effective (unless you want to compete of how fast you can act on the signal).

        3 replies 9 retweets 89 likes
        Show this thread
      4. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Sep 2019

        For this reason, it is not possible to use publicly available price data and widely-known DL models to make money trading liquid & easy to trade assets. Moreover, price data is a source of info that's already so squeezed that no amount of modeling improvement will help you.

        2 replies 11 retweets 100 likes
        Show this thread
      5. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Sep 2019

        There was likely a short period of time in the past where using LSTM represented a meaningful advantage. Likewise there was a point in time where a DL trading bot that looked at past BTC prices would have made money. But not anymore, at least not at any meaningful scale.

        2 replies 6 retweets 73 likes
        Show this thread
      6. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Sep 2019

        That doesn't mean that price data doesn't contain information. Only that this information doesn't convert to successful strategies for an average player. It's possible to show models that look like they would be successful, in theory. But you can't deploy them.

        3 replies 12 retweets 84 likes
        Show this thread
      7. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Sep 2019

        Remember, you need an advantage no one else has (usually a new dataset). It's purely a game of information arbitrage. You can't recycle the same information and models everyone has access to. Unless you know you're special, don't even try. And if you have to ask, you're not.

        10 replies 42 retweets 340 likes
        Show this thread
      8. End of conversation
      1. Mark Saroufim‏ @marksaroufim 27 Sep 2019
        Replying to @fchollet

        Show me your balance sheet not your PR

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. Undo
        Undo
      1. New conversation
      2. 𝕯𝖒𝖎𝖙𝖗𝖞‏ @_fogfish_ 27 Sep 2019
        Replying to @fchollet

        I do not believe on people’s altruism. Successful stock trading/predictions models would be kept in secret until its potential is 100% mined. This is like a gold rush - no one simply shares goldmine location.

        1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
      3. Markus Schmaus‏ @Markus_Schmaus 27 Sep 2019
        Replying to @_fogfish_ @fchollet

        Yes, and like in a gold rush the people who get rich are those selling to the people who are looking for easy money

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Show replies
      1. Yannic Kilcher, Tech Sister‏ @ykilcher 27 Sep 2019
        Replying to @fchollet

        Plot Twist: @fchollet is using RNNs to predict stock prices and doesn't want anyone to find out it's actually pretty easy 😉

        0 replies 2 retweets 150 likes
        Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. Undo
        Undo

    Loading seems to be taking a while.

    Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.

      Promoted Tweet

      false

      • © 2021 Twitter
      • About
      • Help Center
      • Terms
      • Privacy policy
      • Cookies
      • Ads info