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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 2 Aug 2019

    I could never really understand the logic behind the modern notion of "spoilers". For most stories, knowing the overall structure in advance helps you understand and appreciate its unfolding, catch foreboding details you would otherwise have missed, etc.

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      2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 2 Aug 2019

        I don't derive any particular joy from being surprised by unexpected turns of events. If a story has structure and meaning, then grasping the entire context is necessary to enjoy it. In fact, it used to be fairly common for stories to start with a description of their ending...

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      3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 2 Aug 2019

        Romeo and Juliet basically starts by telling you that two young folks will fall in love and it will be tragic and their deaths will bring peace between their two warring families. Shakespeare didn't think you could enjoy the story if you didn't know that context

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      2. Sriram Krishnan - sriramk.eth‏Verified account @sriramk 2 Aug 2019
        Replying to @fchollet

        Wait you want to know in advance that Bruce Willis is a ghost? 🙂

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      3. Kiraito‏ @JskSidou 2 Aug 2019
        Replying to @sriramk @fchollet

        😩 you spoiled me Now I regret checking comments for this tweet

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      2. James‏ @jmac_ai 2 Aug 2019
        Replying to @fchollet

        If you think having knowledge of the story in advance can have positive effects, then you accept that knowledge can change your experience. In which case, is it that far fetched that the experience with a lack of knowledge can at least sometimes be positive too?

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        Replying to @jmac_ai @fchollet

        A good example of a film that was better without spoilers was the Matrix. It kept your curiosity alive for like an hour. Glad that wasn’t spoiled for me. Most films, though, I watch for character development, not plot

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      1. Peter Wang‏ @pwang 2 Aug 2019
        Replying to @fchollet

        Well you've just hit it on the head. High quality, deep stories don't rely on a sudden turn to addict and captivate an audience. They don't have anything to "spoil". "Spoilable" stories tend to have very low re-watch value. They're the whoopie cushions of narrative.

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      1. Mark Douthwaite‏ @MarklDouthwaite 2 Aug 2019
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        This reminds me of that classic Kurt Vonnegut talk on ‘The Shape of a Story’ - good Stories are ‘flat’: https://youtu.be/GOGru_4z1Vc 

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      2. Jari Safi‏ @safijari 2 Aug 2019
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        The problem with spoilers doesn't have anything to do with story structure. It has to do with intended experience and another person taking it upon themselves to rob you of that experience. The story is told a certain way deliberately to achieve a certain effect 1/?

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      3. Jari Safi‏ @safijari 2 Aug 2019
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        and while many good stories can be told a number of ways and subjectively be still as good, most stories are told in a particular order by the author and discovering events in that order is the intended experience. Some times the author makes a mistake. I've found myself 2/?

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