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    1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 19 May 2019

      Remember 2013, when Very Serious researchers and pundits warned us that AI & robotics would cut employment by a factor of 2 within 15 to 20 years? US unemployment has gone from 8% to 3.6% in the 6 years since.

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    2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 19 May 2019

      The irony here is that 2013-2019 has seen an incredible boom in the deployment of AI in processes and products across most industries, and a not insignificant fraction of the drop in unemployment is linked to the economic windfall of AI

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 May 2019
      Replying to @fchollet

      AI doesn't have to unemploy humans; in most industries it just disempowers them. That's how we get that low unemployment with no upward pressure on wages (which violates basic economic theory but economists can't yet grapple with this). My 2015 piece: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/19/opinion/sunday/the-machines-are-coming.html …pic.twitter.com/6UWVT5iVZs

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 19 May 2019
      Replying to @zeynep

      The point of the doomsayers from 2013 wasn't "automation will disempower workers", it was explicitly "automation will create mass employment within 20 years". Also, looking at the past 150 years, automation has not been disempowering workers -- usually, it's the opposite.

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        1. Sinan Синан سنان‏ @DrSinanovic 19 May 2019
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          Because ppl work for algorithms now in low paid insecure jobs

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        2. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 19 May 2019
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          Which "Very Serious" researchers are you mocking exactly? In 2013, there was a lot of bad coverage of a good paper by Frey and Osborne, which did not make the extreme claims you are saying were made. Of course, many journalists, experts, etc. have said all sorts of things.

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        3. Miles Brundage‏ @Miles_Brundage 19 May 2019
          Replying to @Miles_Brundage @fchollet @zeynep

          That paper is no longer state of the art/can be critiqued in various ways (as I and others did at the time), but it was seminal at the time/caveated in various ways, and has been followed up by the authors themselves and dozens of others. Do you have thoughts on that lit?

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        1. Gideon Mann‏ @gideonmann 19 May 2019
          Replying to @fchollet @zeynep

          http://Shiftcommission.work  talked about a few different ideas around consequences of automation : but displacement not reduction was always one worry. How do you retrain?

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 May 2019
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          Automation does disempower workers, and has, historically. The opposite did happen, sure, but only after massive political upheaval changed the rules: no child labor, 40 hour week, unions, etc. The direct effect of automation was disempowerment. It's an important distinction.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 May 2019
          Replying to @zeynep @fchollet

          I don't speak for mass unemployment predictions. But logically speaking, disempowerment is fairly inevitable unless and until there is a wholesale reorganization to protect people. (There are smaller segments that are empowered in each transition but they aren't the masses.)

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