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    1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

      There's a certain type of programmers that hates frameworks, and instead wants barebones, highly hackable, minimalistic non-frameworks. In any large project they end up with a poorly designed, single-use reimplementation of large parts of the more fully-featured frameworks.

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    2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

      There's a lot of thought and effort that go into large frameworks. You can't invest 0.01% of the effort & brain power and expect to come out on top. The best developers are those that know how to capitalize on collective past efforts. Those that stand on the shoulders of giants.

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

      You don't need to solve problems that are already solved, just because you don't 100% like or understand the built-in solutions. A good framework will get the known problems out of the way to let you focus on what you're really trying to achieve.

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        1. Nick Papoulias‏ @npapoylias 24 Dec 2018
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          A noticeable transition (during the 90s) has occurred according to G. J. Sussman: "The “analysis-by-synthesis” view of SICP — where you build a larger system out of smaller, simple parts — became irrelevant. Nowadays, we do programming by poking." See: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/5335 

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        1. Josh McGee  🏞️ 🤖 🔧 🏞️‏ @Josh_McGee_G 24 Dec 2018
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          say it again louder for the engineers in the back

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        1. Emil Wallner‏ @EmilWallner 24 Dec 2018
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          For products or research, I agree. Although for learning it's great to rebuild certain aspects of a framework. It reduces cognitive load, increases intuition of the entire model, and leads to better use of the framework.

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        2. Rogério Chaves‏ @_rchaves_ 24 Dec 2018
          Replying to @fchollet

          I've actually experienced cases where building the product without a framework was better, sure it needed a lot of refactorings but people could understand how everything worked instead of going around the framework all the time

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        3. Rogério Chaves‏ @_rchaves_ 24 Dec 2018
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          Also later on when they do use a framework they are much more concious, use it better and understand the reasoning behind the decisions that framework took

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        1. zubairahmed_ai‏ @zubairahmed_ai 24 Dec 2018
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          Yes, yes & yes personally know few who were even admired for reinventing the wheel, their justification is often 'we don't the bloat that a framework comes with, we only need functionality X'

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        1. Oliver‏ @maybeolivier 24 Dec 2018
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          I’m gonna save this as my wallpaper for good measure. I am a culprit and I need to fix this.

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        1. zubairahmed_ai‏ @zubairahmed_ai 24 Dec 2018
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          Also open source project in particular and enterprise frameworks in general were not favoured for potential bugs & support issues, lack of documentation. I remember when Microsoft Linq to SQL came out and we used a method that didn't cater to null variables which another one did

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        1. zubairahmed_ai‏ @zubairahmed_ai 24 Dec 2018
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          So when this caused an issue in production and it had to be quickly fixed, boy that conversation with our manager wasn't pretty, use your imagination

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        1. Simon Chopin‏ @laarmen 24 Dec 2018
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          I'm that kind of person. I think our value in a team lies in figuring out the frameworks ("is it buggy?" "no, we just don't use it the right way) and otherwise working on highly specific and self contained components. But just don't leave us in charge 😉

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