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    1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

      There's a certain type of programmers that hates frameworks, and instead wants barebones, highly hackable, minimalistic non-frameworks. In any large project they end up with a poorly designed, single-use reimplementation of large parts of the more fully-featured frameworks.

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

      There's a lot of thought and effort that go into large frameworks. You can't invest 0.01% of the effort & brain power and expect to come out on top. The best developers are those that know how to capitalize on collective past efforts. Those that stand on the shoulders of giants.

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        1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

          You don't need to solve problems that are already solved, just because you don't 100% like or understand the built-in solutions. A good framework will get the known problems out of the way to let you focus on what you're really trying to achieve.

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        1. Debunking Denialism‏ @debunkdenialism 24 Dec 2018
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          Actually "standing on the shoulders of giants" may have been an appeal to authority used by Newton to tell Hooke that Descartes would have agreed with Newton.

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        1. Michael Mayer‏ @lastzero 24 Dec 2018
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          So you recommend using a proper Web Framework like Laravel or WordPress instead of Go?

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        2. K‏ @rehack20 24 Dec 2018
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          Politely disagree, on the universality of what you suggest. One example: There was a time in late 90s, early 2000s. When J2EE frameworks were very popular in the enterprise. And a lot of it was bad, a concept called EJB Entity bean (a poor facade for RDBMS) and Sesson beans 1/2

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        3. K‏ @rehack20 24 Dec 2018
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          ..again a limited facade for business logic. Despite using those frameworks, we always had to work around it. And it made the code clumsy. And shielded important knowledge from developers, which they had to gain painfully later on. So I would say, it depends on the framework 2/2

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        1. Laszlo Sragner‏ @xLaszlo 24 Dec 2018
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          At a startup this can be a resource or competence constraint. Hack something together to see if the business works, if the answer is yes, hire people to rewrite it with frameworks.

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        1. Alan O'Callaghan‏ @AlanBOCallaghan 24 Dec 2018
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          "How complicated could this rails thing really be? I'll roll my own."

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