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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

    There's a certain type of programmers that hates frameworks, and instead wants barebones, highly hackable, minimalistic non-frameworks. In any large project they end up with a poorly designed, single-use reimplementation of large parts of the more fully-featured frameworks.

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      2. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

        There's a lot of thought and effort that go into large frameworks. You can't invest 0.01% of the effort & brain power and expect to come out on top. The best developers are those that know how to capitalize on collective past efforts. Those that stand on the shoulders of giants.

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      3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 24 Dec 2018

        You don't need to solve problems that are already solved, just because you don't 100% like or understand the built-in solutions. A good framework will get the known problems out of the way to let you focus on what you're really trying to achieve.

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      1. Ahmed Ghannam‏ @FieryPhoenix7 24 Dec 2018
        Replying to @fchollet

        If it helps saves dollars and time, so be it. We’re developing a large enterprise application where I work and I couldn’t imagine doing any of that without key frameworks.

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      2. Thierno Ibrahima DIOP‏ @bayethiernodiop 24 Dec 2018
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      3. Elias W. BA | Breaking for 3 months‏ @eliaswalyba 24 Dec 2018
        Replying to @bayethiernodiop @fchollet

        “In any large project they end up with a poorly designed, single-use reimplementation of large parts of the more fully-featured frameworks.” This is not always true

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      2. Peter Ellis‏ @almostconverge 24 Dec 2018
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        That is true but not all frameworks are created equal. And the more complex the task, the harder it is to tell whether you've chosen the right one. And building somethong with an ill-fitting framework can be almost as bad as no framework.

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      3. Rob Wolfe‏ @RobWolfe 24 Dec 2018
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        key word being "almost"

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      1. Μανγεφορτ  👾‏ @mangefort 24 Dec 2018
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        It's a management issue, any sufficiently large project has tasks that **require** precisely those types of programmers.

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      1. michael‏ @michael_at_work 24 Dec 2018
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        This is so true, but just try explaining it to "him". Even as the guy does it over & over again. Because when he builds it, it's somehow "better", even though he's the only one who can understand/enhance/support/debug it. (Oh this brings me back to painful times.)

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      1. Victoria Concordia Crescit‏ @L_A_Scott_ 24 Dec 2018
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        Greenspun's tenth rule!

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