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    1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Jul 2018

      Whether an AI that plays StarCraft, DotA, or Overwatch succeeds or fails against top players, we'd have learned nothing from the outcome. Wins -- congrats, you've trained on enough data. Fails -- go back, train on 10x more games, add some bells & whistles to your setup, succeed.

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    2. Randy Olson‏ @randal_olson 27 Jul 2018
      Replying to @fchollet

      Bad take, Francois. There is value in creating AI that can outperform humans on complex tasks even if we truly learn nothing from that engineering effort. At a minimum, those successes inspire and move the bar for AI ever higher.

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    3. Randy Olson‏ @randal_olson 27 Jul 2018
      Replying to @randal_olson @fchollet

      Your take also misses the fact that we still learn from those herculean engineering efforts. High-quality training data doesn’t magically appear; you have to learn how to create it en masse. Algorithms that can learn complex control tasks at scale don’t magically exist; we (1/2)

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    4. Randy Olson‏ @randal_olson 27 Jul 2018
      Replying to @randal_olson @fchollet

      must invent and optimize them. Hardware that can support such a task doesn’t appear out of nowhere; we must build it. Much is learned along the way to solving those problems. (2/2)

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      François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Jul 2018
      Replying to @randal_olson

      For sure, such an endeavor can be valuable in terms of PR, inspiration, and as an engineering exercise with positive 2nd-order effects. My point from the perspective of learning something about intelligence, specifically. The science of AI.

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        2. Nick Walsh‏ @TheNickWalsh 27 Jul 2018
          Replying to @fchollet @randal_olson

          Do game agent projects need to advance the boundaries of GAI theory? It’s an exercise in applying known theory/processes to a complicated problem space to achieve super-human performance. To say there’s “nothing to learn” from that (process or outcome) is a bit hyperbolic

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        3. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 27 Jul 2018
          Replying to @TheNickWalsh @randal_olson

          One could easily turn such a game AI project into an experiment that you could learn from, if one were to care less about PR impact. See my prior comments about measuring generalization power rather than skill.

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        2. Randy Olson‏ @randal_olson 28 Jul 2018
          Replying to @fchollet

          That statement applies to most AI research nowadays IMO. Anything involving deep learning is highly unlikely to advance AGI research, and that’s OK. Core AGI research is akin to walking through a maze blind-folded because we’re trying to mimic something we don’t understand.

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