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    François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 21 Jun 2018

    The notion that "engagement" is something that should be optimized for, or that having high engagement gives you legitimacy, is a basic mistake that so many people and companies keep returning to.

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      1. François Chollet‏Verified account @fchollet 21 Jun 2018

        Products render services. Even entertainment products. Engagement and time spent are often adverse to the purpose of a product even on the lower end of the scale, and trying to maximize those is destructive for both products and users 100% of the time

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      1. Will Bible‏ @willbible1 21 Jun 2018
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        It seems like a worthwhile discussion on what are alternative optimization patterns? Engagement is clearly linked to marketing. What if users decided? Some may choose value systems (ethical, religious or otherwise). Some might choose emotional content (like engagement).

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      1. Tom Now Free‏ @tomnow3 21 Jun 2018
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        Engagement and viral are related. Very profitable but sometimes deadly.

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      1. Nawfal‏ @NawfalTachfine 21 Jun 2018
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        To me it's just a euphemism for attention, which is the actual product of companies making money off advertisements.

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      2. michael england‏ @england_michael 21 Jun 2018
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        If money is the sole goal (which it is), then engagement is THE objective.

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      3. John, Beta Male‏ @consultify 21 Jun 2018
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        Even if true, attention is merely a necessary condition for closing sales, it's not a sufficient condition for conversion. A good sales person knows how to identify and avoid "looky-loos" https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1CAFB_enCA729CA729&q=Dictionary …

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      1. Bertil Hatt‏ @bertil_hatt 22 Jun 2018
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        It’s not a terrible idea for, say, video games. Definitely agree Google lead by example by saying the least time people spent looking for something, the better.

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