I get that you’re an anarchist and all, but just because you dislike both doesn’t mean one isnt obviously worse....
I find that doubly interesting, because we're also part of the same tribe along a completely different dimension, in which case we're both in the same marginal group struggling with breakdown of communication with the mainstream.
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I think your involvement in the Common Lisp tribe is deeply different than my involvement with Clojure. I’ve only ever used it in a commercial setting once, and found it somewhat problematic in that context.
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But we both care about things like software, programming language design, dynamism, reflection, the system paradigm, and orthogonal persistence, where each of these concerns is largely ignored in its wider context. That does give us some commonality of thought in one dimension.
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