lrt: claiming it's impossible to know what online communities like incels believe b/c of irony is deeply fucking irresponsible tbh b/c irony is how radicalisation & hatred mask & excuse themselves in online spaces
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tolerance of 'ironic' forms of bigotry is how places like reddit and 4chan have become recruiting grounds & operating sites for white supremacist & neofascist groups.
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in many of these spaces, bigotry has long gone beyond ironic expression so to claim that they still operate under the guise of irony is completely misdirected analysis - especially when it comes to incels, which are one of the more extreme online communities.
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this thread is gaining interest, so for reference - this is the tweet i refer to at the start, criticising the guardian (obvs) for claiming it's impossible to understand incel ideology b/c ironyhttps://twitter.com/redlightvoices/status/989152359308845056 …
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buying into the idea that it's impossible to understand what is or is not genuine b/c 'irony' also vindicates the internal logic of trolling, which relies on this notion that words & online spaces are devoid of inherent meaning
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i say trolling here, b/c this is where it starts from. conceiving of incels as people who say horrific things about women just for the lulz undermines the impact that the normalisation of misogynist & racist discourses have on the people in that community, even peripherally
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so long as we adhere to the notion that incredibly violent & extreme expressions of hatred in online spaces are largely just a form of trolling, there will be no way we can actually deal with the problem
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It's not like irony has never been used to mask bigoted ideology in offline communities
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