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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4

      So if a Facebook friend of yours had the Facebook app on *their* phone, Facebook shared *YOUR* private data with device-makers, even if you had somehow managed to turn off third-party sharing. "Sorry, not sorry" apology coming in 3, 2, 1. 💰💰💰 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/facebook-device-partners-users-friends-data.html …pic.twitter.com/0tSkfWqY17

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    2. Facebook‏Verified account @facebook Jun 4
      Replying to @zeynep

      Hi @Zeynep. Interested in your thoughts here: You can import Gmail, Yahoo! Mail, Outlook, etc. onto your iPhone -- see attached screenshot. This means if you send an email to someone’s Gmail, there’s a good chance they’ll read it on Apple’s app.pic.twitter.com/PgD6pwOa5U

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      Facebook‏Verified account @facebook Jun 4
      Replying to @facebook @zeynep

      Part of giving people control over their data means enabling them to take their information with them on other services (open platforms vs walled gardens). So you can get your Facebook on B’berry or your Gmail on iPhone. What do you feel is different with these FB integrations?

      11:13 AM - 4 Jun 2018
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @facebook

          Couple of things--has to do with the nature of your business, the information you hold and consent (but that doesn't mean what everyone else does is okay.) So let's walk through a few.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @zeynep @facebook

          First, device-integrated API is an example of moving too fast at the expense of slower, more privacy-sensitive approaches. But either way, there is lack of clarity on who has access to what kind of information and that matters most for you because you hold sensitive information.

          2 replies 8 retweets 104 likes
        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @zeynep @facebook

          Second, if Facebook wasn't going to be a walled garden, and be a platform where people could take their data, it *had to be under clear consent & explanation.* You let apps and devices access data, and sometimes friends' data, but not at al clear to end-user. Hence the backlash.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @zeynep @facebook

          For OS integration, the question is interest-alignment. We trust our devices with a lot, and while Apple is not perfect, they have largely aligned privacy interests with their users. Android, I gave up because I cannot manage to turn off Google tracking despite much trying. 🙄

          6 replies 9 retweets 95 likes
        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @zeynep @facebook

          I use Google's app to read email, but I understand some people have Apple's app. We just hope that Apple won't read all that and compile a profile on us—and I wish we had more than Apple's word—but Apple doesn't have a business model that's based on profiling and targeting us.

          4 replies 8 retweets 128 likes
        7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @zeynep @facebook

          Facebook has sensitive data that is unlike any other platform (maybe closest is Google), has confused the hell out of most users (including me) on what gets collected, visibility and privacy (Zuck got confused while testifying) and, until recently, seemed to not erase much.

          1 reply 12 retweets 116 likes
        8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @zeynep @facebook

          Facebook cannot simultaneously aspire to be the connective social fabric online (the platform era!) and have this business model which misaligns its interests with users' and be this muddled about privacy and sharing--and not have us wary of what happens with our data.

          3 replies 62 retweets 229 likes
        9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jun 4
          Replying to @zeynep @facebook

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Michael LaForgia

          If NYT got details wrong, by all means, correct them. Also, what's going on here? The more you explain, the less we'll all be confused.https://twitter.com/laforgia_/status/1003619319736143872 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Michael LaForgiaVerified account @laforgia_
          We wanted to learn more about what kinds of data Facebook makes available to “partners” that manufacture phones and other devices.
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        2. Adrian‏ @InfoSecAdrian Jun 4
          Replying to @facebook @zeynep

          If I share my contacts with, say, Twitter, I know I'm doing it, because I explicitly did it. But I don't expect my contacts to also be shared with HTC, Samsung, LG, etc., just because I happen to have Twitter installed on one of their devices.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Adrian‏ @InfoSecAdrian Jun 4
          Replying to @InfoSecAdrian @facebook @zeynep

          If I access Gmail on a Lenovo with Microsoft Windows, I don't expect Lenovo and Microsoft to get access to my contacts in Gmail, let alone the contents of my account, simply because I'm on a Lenovo PC with Windows installed.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Adrian‏ @InfoSecAdrian Jun 4
          Replying to @InfoSecAdrian @facebook @zeynep

          And nobody I correspond with would expect their contact information or message substance to be shared with Lenovo or Microsoft on that basis, either.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        1. Seth Sanders‏ @SethLSanders Jun 4
          Replying to @facebook @zeynep

          This is some desperate whataboutism when you’re being exposed

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        1. Anna Johnston‏ @SalingerPrivacy Jun 5
          Replying to @facebook @zeynep

          Oh for Pete’s sake @facebook stop saying that users have control over their data. No-one believes that BS anymore.

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        1. China Rose‏ @ChinaRosy Jun 5
          Replying to @facebook @zeynep

          U mean Fb takes control of ALL User Data -sans Strip mining ⛏every scrap 2exploit USER CONTACTS (who don’t even know 2give consent 2a 3rdparty 2stash THIER cellular bits in Fb hive a PROPRIETARY walled garden 2 “manipulate” Private data use&values 2incl REPLICANTS @SenBlumenthal

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        1. read_only‏ @Juan_de_Vashon Jun 5
          Replying to @facebook @zeynep

          To @Facebook "Open Platforms" means that their API limitations are so lax that I *still* get four or five #RayBan spam posts per week in my #Facebook newsfeed. #MarkZuckerberg will let anything happen on Facebook as long as he's making a buck or ten.

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        1. read_only‏ @Juan_de_Vashon Jun 5
          Replying to @facebook @zeynep

          Because I have two entirely different services (email) and apps (@Facebook -- #Facebook is *not* a service like email, which is decades old) does *not* mean that Facebook should take that as carte blanche to access either my email streams or my contacts. Period.

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