This. I'm friendly to socialist approaches, but my priority is getting everyone food, clothing, and shelter (and the occasional rose). I'm prepared to be very pragmatic about how to achieve that.
The funniest thing about Universal Basic Income futurists is they can imagine a world where production is automated, but they can't imagine a world where these automatic factories aren't still owned by one person who controls everything.
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The funniest thing about anti-UBI socialists is they can imagine a world where the means of production is owned by the state, but they can't imagine a world where all work is voluntary, where all workers have the power to refuse to work & use that power to achieve postcapitalism.
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@scottsantens you have to read the article@MattBruenig wrote for@PplPolicyProj countering the@jacobinmag article, he counters a lot of those "left-wing" talking points and it's incredibly therapeutic to read:http://peoplespolicyproject.org/2018/01/12/a-few-bad-arguments-against-basic-income/ …
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It's not that we can't imagine it. We just think UBI is more practically achievable in the near term, and/or more desirable, than full-scale communist revolution. Establishing alternative economic arrangements becomes more feasible once everybody doesn't have to work just to live
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Aren't socialists generally afraid of that scenario coming out of capitalism?
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And why on Earth do you presume that they can't?
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Capitalism is not the first seemingly insurmountable problem that was eventually overcome. Hopefully won't be the last.
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Dead people don’t own anything.
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