2/2 Autopoiesis is far more demanding than just dissipative/self-organizing
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Replying to @evantthompson
sure, may things transiently self-organize w/o forming closed network of 'enabling' relations. I will look at your book
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Replying to @normonics @evantthompson
my Q, prior to reading, would be, if hurricane doesn't make itself, what makes it?
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Replying to @normonics
It self-organizes, but it doesn't chemically synthesize itself, as any and all living cells do
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Replying to @evantthompson
I stop buying it when the distinction comes down to substance rather than pattern
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Replying to @normonics @evantthompson
e.g. would you say a hurricane synthesizes itself (dropping 'chemically')?
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Replying to @normonics
No. Synthesis ≠ mere combination/interaction. Synthesis = reactions that produce a new local product, altering global dynamics.
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Replying to @evantthompson
I agree with that but disagree description doesnt apply to hurricane.
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Replying to @normonics @evantthompson
disparate movements of atmosphere => circular flow => global, spatially-bounded patterning (synthesized)
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Replying to @normonics @evantthompson
anyways, I'll read what you've pointed me to and ponder -- thanks for your time, Evan
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Thanks for reading and for the conversation.
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