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Writer, UBC Philosophy, Assoc Member Asian Studies & Psych Depts. Married to @beckettodd

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    1. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      OK, gonna plow forward and make a mess now. While I'm not a Buddhist anymore, I can also speak from this kind of place: "Take it from someone who has studied all three turnings from both an academic and practice POV."

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    2. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      This statement of Vince's is true: "The metaphysics of Buddhism differs across traditions and across the three turnings paradigms." There have also been recent varied attempts, by people like Robert Wright and Stephen Batchelor, to find or create a coherence between...

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    3. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      20th and 21st c. metaphysics and buddha-dharma. That said, I think Vince pushes things too far with this: "There is no unified metaphysics, just views that people project onto all of Buddhism."

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    4. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      I think there is an underlying metaphysical substrate, and it is closely tied to some of the metaphysical assumptions that Siddhartha Gotama adopted from wider Indic culture (assuming for sake of argument the historicity of Sidd G): samsara, karma, rebirth ("metempsychosis")

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    5. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      This is probably best expressed elsewhere than Twitter, but my position is that the Noble Silences often get used to elide *how much metaphysical content* there is running in the kernel/substrate of various Buddhisms

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    6. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      I don't think that the four noble truths would have been derived if those metaphysical assumptions weren't at work. That's a tough argument to make here on Twitter, so I'll just mic-drop this thesis without showing my work here. But pretty sure I can back it up.

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    7. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      Some of these questions will likely be addressed in the upcoming book from @evantthompson This read will be of interest to many in the #metadharma space (@Meaningness @_awbery_ @OortCloudAtlas @cognazor etc) https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300226553/why-i-am-not-buddhist …

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    8. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      I am locating Prof Thompson's book particularly as one in dialogue with @wrighter Why Buddhism is True. I might be wrong in anticipating that, but that's my hunch. Of course Thompson is surveying a pretty big discourse and engaging with other kinds of conversations too.

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    9. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      TL;DR - I'm a friend of the buddhadharma, pretty sure Thompson (who studied with Thurman and Varela) is too, and yet want to highlight that there are some pretty important metaphysical assumptions working in the deep core of Buddhism that are worth pointing out.

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    10. Crooked Timbre‏ @Timber_22 8 Sep 2019
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      Yes, as Vince argues, they do morph and shapeshift dramatically, (and as I pointed out some have attempted to boot a Buddhism with as few of those assumptions as possible), but I think that they are still operative and traceable back to axial-age subcontinent.

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      Evan Thompson‏ @evantthompson 8 Sep 2019
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      A few things in response to you and @VincentHorn: 1/I don't think the Buddha as presented in the Nikayas and Agamas is agnostic about the metaphysics of self; he makes pronouncements that entail there's no self (I discuss this in my new book)

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        2. Vince Fakhoury Horn  👽 🎙️‏ @VincentHorn 8 Sep 2019
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          Looking forward to seeing the new book @evantthompson. Curious how you make sense of the regular refusal of the sutryana Buddha to discuss metaphysics. That, to me, points to a orthopraxic orientation to metaphysics, which is quite a bit different than monotheistic orthodoxy.

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        3. Evan Thompson‏ @evantthompson 8 Sep 2019
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          Thanks, Vince. 1/ In my view, he refuses to discuss certain questions in certain contexts, but he makes metaphysical pronouncements (e.g., about the "All"); it's just that his stance toward them is empiricist (not his word of course).

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        2. Evan Thompson‏ @evantthompson 8 Sep 2019
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          Replying to @evantthompson @Timber_22 @VincentHorn

          2/ My new book has a chapter where I explain how/why I differ from @robertwrighter but I discuss a lot of other things too

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        3. Evan Thompson‏ @evantthompson 8 Sep 2019
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          And, as I discuss in the book, I see myself as a good friend to Buddhism, though not a Buddhist, and so my criticisms are meant to be friendly ones

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        1. Lisa Dale Miller‏ @lisadalemiller 8 Sep 2019
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          Defending already! Ah, views distortions. The play of mind is ceaseless!🙏

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