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Writer, UBC Philosophy, Assoc Member Asian Studies & Psych Depts. Married to @beckettodd

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    1. Jelle  ⬅️1.5m ➡️ 🤳‏ @theblub 30 Apr 2019
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      Some lines (action couplings) in the thread piggy-back on others. So there is a sense of hierarchy, not one of top down instruction, more something akin to Brooksean layers.

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    2. 𖤐 🔥Bryce 🔥𖤐‏ @NeuroYogacara 30 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @theblub @IrisVanRooij @CeliaHeyes

      Do you have better explanations of learning? What about habituated biases? I always feel like enactivists offer under specified computational explanations, then assert that they aren’t positing computations. But I would honestly love to see an alternative story!

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    3. Jelle  ⬅️1.5m ➡️ 🤳‏ @theblub 30 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @NeuroYogacara @IrisVanRooij @CeliaHeyes

      better than what?

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    4. 𖤐 🔥Bryce 🔥𖤐‏ @NeuroYogacara 30 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @theblub @IrisVanRooij @CeliaHeyes

      We could start with the double error-correction model that @twitemp1 and crew have used to explain classical learning phenomena. I don’t know what a non-computational model of those behaviors would look like

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    5. Andrew D Wilson‏ @PsychScientists 1 May 2019
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      Just because you don’t know the way to do it, doesn’t mean it can’t be done :) Everyone though the A-Not-B error required an object concept till Thelen and Smith did the requisite hard work

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    6. 𖤐 🔥Bryce 🔥𖤐‏ @NeuroYogacara 1 May 2019
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      yes. see my reply above...I'm not claiming that it can't be done, I just want a sense of how it's supposed to be done! I'm happy to abandon a computational approach if anything comes close to offering a real alternative explanation...I'm open to being dead wrong!

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    7. Evan Thompson‏ @evantthompson 1 May 2019
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      A computational approach requires a semantic function mapping from code to meaning and a structural function mapping from code to neural processes. Until those are precisely specified, computational approaches aren't truly explanatory; they're heuristic models.

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    8. 𖤐 🔥Bryce 🔥𖤐‏ @NeuroYogacara 1 May 2019
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      Replying to @evantthompson @PsychScientists and

      This seems exactly right to me. I think that things are getting close to a mapping story in the context of behavioral learning; and I know from conversation that I'm more optimistic than you on this issue - though I think that we're not *that far* apart on the key issues.

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    9. 𖤐 🔥Bryce 🔥𖤐‏ @NeuroYogacara 1 May 2019
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      Replying to @NeuroYogacara @evantthompson and

      And the more I talk to you, and think through your work, the more i find myself pulled toward a story that's far more complicated than most sketches of computational explanations!

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    10. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 1 May 2019
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      Hmm... Playing devil’s advocate: I doubt that we can ever achieve a complete and accurate mapping as @evantthompson suggest, and, if we do, I am not so sure that it would constitute a “true” explanation, perhaps because I ignore what the latter means. >

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      Evan Thompson‏ @evantthompson 1 May 2019
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      Replying to @twitemp1 @PsychScientists and

      Fair points. But I didn't mean "true explanation;" I meant something that's truly an explanation. I don't think the mapping needs to be complete, but it does need to specify what the neural code actually is; otherwise it's "as-if" talk that hasn't been sufficiently grounded

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        2. Esther Mondragón‏ @twitemp1 1 May 2019
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          Replying to @evantthompson @PsychScientists and

          Well, I disagree. I'm happy assuming different explanatory levels. To use a silly simile, we do not need to appeal to subatomic particles to account for the dynamics of a pendulum.

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        3. Evan Thompson‏ @evantthompson 1 May 2019
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          Replying to @twitemp1 @PsychScientists and

          I'm not arguing against distinct explanatory levels. I'm saying computation is a heuristic without a specification of how its implemented.

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