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Replying to @IrisVanRooij @CeliaHeyes
Sure. They make a straw man out of more traditional oriented theories. But I feel the notion of computation (as real mechanism not just high level description) needs to be at least stretched if it wants to accomodate an interactive coupling of sorts.
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Perhaps: thinking (cognition) is a form of action. It goes in the same ontological pool as any other form of action. Lines of action bundle together into an activity thread we call ‘human being’ (or organismic being, being alive). This would be my basis.
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Some lines (action couplings) in the thread piggy-back on others. So there is a sense of hierarchy, not one of top down instruction, more something akin to Brooksean layers.
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Do you have better explanations of learning? What about habituated biases? I always feel like enactivists offer under specified computational explanations, then assert that they aren’t positing computations. But I would honestly love to see an alternative story!
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better than what?
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We could start with the double error-correction model that
@twitemp1 and crew have used to explain classical learning phenomena. I don’t know what a non-computational model of those behaviors would look like4 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @NeuroYogacara @theblub and
Just because you don’t know the way to do it, doesn’t mean it can’t be done :) Everyone though the A-Not-B error required an object concept till Thelen and Smith did the requisite hard work
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Replying to @PsychScientists @theblub and
yes. see my reply above...I'm not claiming that it can't be done, I just want a sense of how it's supposed to be done! I'm happy to abandon a computational approach if anything comes close to offering a real alternative explanation...I'm open to being dead wrong!
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A computational approach requires a semantic function mapping from code to meaning and a structural function mapping from code to neural processes. Until those are precisely specified, computational approaches aren't truly explanatory; they're heuristic models.
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Replying to @evantthompson @PsychScientists and
This seems exactly right to me. I think that things are getting close to a mapping story in the context of behavioral learning; and I know from conversation that I'm more optimistic than you on this issue - though I think that we're not *that far* apart on the key issues.
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Replying to @NeuroYogacara @evantthompson and
And the more I talk to you, and think through your work, the more i find myself pulled toward a story that's far more complicated than most sketches of computational explanations!
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