the cdc data is about cases above the baseline rate, that is we’re controlling for the background rate of myocarditis - something continually debunked screening studies of a bunch of Sars2 positives aren’t doing.
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Replying to @eugyppius1
"For 18-to-24-year-olds, who had received 9.8 million doses, there were 196 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis reported, compared to an expected eight to 83 cases." The absolute risk level increase is basically nothing. Driving to the vaccine clinic is more dangerous.
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10-100x the risk in the 21-day window, as i said in the op. you know what is also a low absolute risk level increase for 18-24 year-olds? actually getting Corona. it’s so low that the vaxx faces extremely steep safety demands, to be of any use to healthy members of this cohort
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Replying to @eugyppius1
2-25X the risk, which is initially practically zero. Again, you're picking the Chinese bioweapon with practically zero difference in absolute risk.
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Look, it‘s a small point, but try to understand: The myocarditis risk from mRNA vaxx is higher after dose 2 than after dose 1. So if you compare all doses across 18-24 year-olds, you see lower (still elevated) risk, but if you look at just dose 2 recipients, you see higher risk
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Replying to @eugyppius1
On an absolute level the risk is still basically zero after the second dose. It's amazing to me that people would prefer the Chinese bioweapon. And BTW, if you don't get vaccinated, you will catch it or one of the variants eventually.
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Replying to @stoneagenathan @eugyppius1
This is such an odd argument. The latest, mutated strain of this alleged Chinese bioweapon has the case fatality rate of the flu. Many of us would rather take our chances with that than have our mRNA modified by an observably dangerous, experimental substance - thanks
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You're also dead wrong about risk - you are only looking at *one type* of adverse effect out of a large number of serious complications. And there is no guarantee that anyone will catch the virus, whereas if you take the stab, you are assuming its risks - with certainty
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Replying to @ExpatAftermath @eugyppius1
This thing has become almost as contagious as measles. If you don't get vaccinated and go out in public, you will catch it eventually.
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Replying to @stoneagenathan @eugyppius1
What part of "I don't care" are you having difficulty understanding?
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it’s not as contagious as measles. SARS-2 attack rate isn’t especially impressive, a lot of those crazy high early estimates look like artefacts of rapidly expanding testing programs in March 2020
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Replying to @eugyppius1 @ExpatAftermath
R0 is over 5 (initial estimates around 2 were wrong). Measles is 8, if I recall. Both are extraordinary.
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Replying to @stoneagenathan @ExpatAftermath
observed where? r_nought in Germany generally under 2 except for a brief early period when we were expanding the testing program. household attack rate studies also far from r_nought of 5. it’s contagious but not that contagious, also arguably the r statistics are misleading …
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