The Roman empire was so all-encompassing, that it politically absorbed many of its invaders - even as these invaded. Thus barbarians like the Franks were formally recognised. To contemporaries, they appeared as imperial agents. Wonder to what extent that‘s happening now.
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yeah, things just get shittier and shittier and then 150 years out somebody is like, ‚oh yeah, I guess our political system totally dissolved‘
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I’ve often thought this. People larped as “Romans” for nearly a thousand years after the empire collapsed. People have been doing the same with America. America collapsed decades ago, but there’s a beaner outside with my flag on his civic.
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This how civilizations form... Rome went from backwater city to regional power to european empire 753 - 26 BC. After it became envy of world--germanics, britons, slavoids, etc--so much so that they adopted roman customs and ideals (to an extent). Rome was uterus for Western Civ.
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The counterpart collapse in Eastern Empire in 7th century was more obvious. But even there it was not clear at first that it was to be permanent, the Sasanian conquests were not.
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Concur with the others here that much is made apparent with passage of time. I suspect we have already passed several milestones that will be debated as potential candidates for the collapse of America/Western world.
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