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Digital, polling for Dems @insurrectionco. Ex EIC, NY Observer. NYU j-school prof. 'Bama native, Brooklynite. She/her. #BLM Personal: http://mynewbandis.substack.com 

Anarchist Jurisdiction, NY
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    1. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

      Elizabeth Spiers Retweeted Will Wilkinson  🌐

      There's a lot of inside baseball stuff in this post, but if you followed the Slate Star Codex brouhaha, you should read it, both as a follow up to that, and as a poignant personal essay on reckoning with past mistakes and earlier selves.https://twitter.com/willwilkinson/status/1364298431657877507 …

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      Will Wilkinson  🌐Verified account @willwilkinson
      In which I discuss techno-fascism, truth, intellectual journeys, and examine the significance of a 15-year-old comment on Malcolm Gladwell's blog and a 25-year-old book review of the Bell Curve. https://modelcitizen.substack.com/p/climbing-the-bell-curve-to-the-cathedral …
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    2. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

      And some background info: I've never met Will in person and I don't think we've ever had any interaction on this website before the SSC stuff. But maybe because we were in the same corner on that, we've gotten some mutual trolling, and some of the trolls think we're In CahootsTM.

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    3. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

      So some of them have been pointing me to a review Will did of the Bell Curve in 25 years ago--one even went to the trouble of emailing it to me--I guess thinking this would be some kind of gotcha.

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      Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

      Wesley Yang (who pops up in my TL routinely like Bloody Mary anytime I think something is racist and tweet about it) accused me of defending a former edgelord, which in Wes's case is a bit of the pot calling the kettle edgelord.

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        2. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

          Anyway, I guess the intent of this campaign was to say that Will has no business criticizing SSC people who are flirting with race science and neoreactionaries like Curtis Yarvin, who was particularly incensed with Will's SSC piece.

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        3. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

          But it doesn't work for me because I don't care about what Will thought 25 years ago unless it has some bearing on what he thinks now. I appreciate it when people interrogate their ideologies and shift them as a result. It's exceedingly rare.

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        4. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

          It's even rarer for people to admit that they're wrong about things publicly, especially if what they were wrong about is embarrassing. I've written about growing up Evangelical in a reactionary community and shifting leftward over 20 years myself.

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        5. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

          It's uncomfortable! Humiliating, sometimes. I'd certainly prefer that I have a narrative where I arrived pristinely progressive out of the womb, but that's not how a lot of us start out.

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        6. Elizabeth Spiers‏Verified account @espiers Feb 23

          And I think anyone who pisses off Curtis Yarvin is probably on the right side, so.

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        1. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson Feb 23
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