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    Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 4. kol 2019.
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    .@Meaningness has been working on this for yrs, across a few blogs: http://meaningness.com  https://buddhism-for-vampires.com/  https://vividness.live/  Below are passages & paraphrasings from his blog-as-book, http://Meaningness.com , edited for Twitter consumption. Read the whole thing!https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1138575058576633856 …

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    We are in an epistemological crisis where we are questioning to what extent and how do we know what we know, what is meaningful to us, and how do we organize our collective and individual meanings in ways that fulfill us. Who’s working on this? https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1138574248690167809 …
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      2. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Although people actually think about meaningness in terms of stances, mostly they think they think about meaningness in terms of “systems.”  Systems include religions, philosophies, ideologies, spiritual and psychological frameworks, and so forth.

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      3. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Because people are mostly not aware of stances, it is somewhat unusual to commit to a stance directly.  Instead, people commit to systems, which in turn demand certain stances. [https://meaningness.com/stances-are-unstable …]

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      4. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Here are 7 confused stances: ETERNALISM: Everything has a fixed purpose, given by some sort of fundamental ordering principle of the universe. (e.g. God, Fate, etc) If you just follow the eternal law, everything will come out right. https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158236468340502528?s=20 …

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        Eternalism is comforting — If you just follow the eternal law, everything will come out right.  Unfortunately, it often seems that much of life has no purpose.  Or, you can’t figure out what it is.  Priests claim to know what it is, but their advice seems wrong or incomplete.
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      5. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        NIHILISM: Nothing has any purpose. Life is meaningless. Any purposes you imagine you have are illusions, errors, or lies.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158236776009555968?s=20 …

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        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        Nihilism holds that there is no meaning or value anywhere.  Questions about purpose, ethics, and sacredness are unanswerable because they are meaningless.  Nihilism is a mirror image of eternalism—the stance that everything is meaningful
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      6. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        EXISTENTIALISM: Since the universe does not supply us with purposes, they are human creations. Mostly people mindlessly adopt purposes that are handed to them. You need to throw those off, and choose your own purposes, as an act of creative will.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158237149248012288?s=20 …

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        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        In other words, meanings must be subjective because they are not objective Meaning lives inside your head (so it is subjective, internal, and individual). (This is wrong).
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      7. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        MISSION:  After you are dead, it is meaningless how many toys you had. What matters is the impact you made for others. You have unique capabilities to improve the world, and it’s your responsibility to find and act on your personal gift.

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      8. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        MATERIALISM: The supposed cosmic purposes are doubtful at best, but obviously, people do have goals.  There are human purposes no one can seriously doubt: survival, health, sex, romance, fame, power, enjoyable experiences, children, beautiful things.

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      9. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        MONISM: Monism, the idea that “all is One,” is based on the accurate insight that we are not isolated individuals, that there is no hard boundary between self and other, and that things are connected in innumerable ways, many of which we cannot know.

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      10. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        DUALISM is the reverse of Monism. Monism is the stance that fixates sameness and connections, and denies differences and boundaries. Dualism is just the other way around: it denies sameness and connections, and fixates differences and boundaries.

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      11. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        These have the same roots Eternalize says there's meaning elsewhere Nihilism says there's meaning nowhere Existentialism says meaning is in your head Mission: mundane is meaningless, mission meaningful Materialism: the opposite Monism: we’re all one Dualism: the opposite

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      12. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        STANCES UNSTABLE: The confused stances constantly collide with reality. It is impossible not to see this, and impossible not to suffer the consequences This makes it impossible to remain consistently in a confused stance; they are always unstablehttps://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158239101696581632?s=20 …

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        Because stances are unstable, we frequently stumble from one to another, without being clearly aware that we are doing this.  Why do we fall for confused stances? Each confused stance is intelligent in some way.
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      13. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Dualist eternalism: everything is given a definite meaning by something separate from you. Monist eternalism: you, God, and the universe are a single thing, which is definitely meaningful.  Dualist nihilism: we are isolated individuals, wandering in a meaningless universe.

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      14. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        HOW ALL THESE STANCES BREAK DOWN:https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158238255609012224?s=20 …

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        HOW ETERNALISM BREAKS DOWN: It is difficult to see how the suffering caused by earthquakes could be willed by a benevolent God, or meaningful, or anything other than disasters that just happened.
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      15. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        WHY DO THEY ALL STANCES BREAK DOWN? THEY DENY NEBULOSITYhttps://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158238768295481345?s=20 …

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        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        WHY DO THESE STANCES BREAK OWN?  THEY DENY NEBULOSITY & PATTERN the idea that : Other than in mathematics and fundamental physics, nothing is ever definitely this-or-that. Everything is always somewhat this and somewhat that.
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      16. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Confused stances are half right, otherwise we wouldn’t fall for them.

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      17. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        In order to combat the confused stances, we need to adopt the complete stance: Meaning is real (and cannot be denied), but is fluid (so it cannot be fixed). It is neither objective (given by God) nor subjective (chosen by individuals).https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158239971993640960?s=20 …

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        The main method is to become familiar with the thoughts & feelings characteristic of each confused stance, so that you notice them as they occur; + then choose to think differently.  Simply remembering that there is a better alternative—a complete stance—is most of the battle.
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      18. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Meaningness is a quality, not a thing. Meaningness is always nebulous: indefinite, uncertain, ambiguous. THIS COMPLETE STANCE recognizes the inseparability between nebulosity and pattern.

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      19. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        MEANING IS NEITHER OBJECTIVE NOR SUBJECTIVE, BUT INTERACTIVE. Like a rainbow:https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158391649959104512?s=20 …

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        A rainbow is a three-way interaction among the sun, water droplets, and an observer. A rainbow is a physical phenomenon, but not a physical object. It has no specific location. If you drive toward a rainbow, it appears to recede just as fast, so you can never get to it.
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      20. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Zooming out, let’s give a brief history of how meaning has evolved over time. We started in Choiceless mode, aka living in tribes This is the most natural one. Nearly all humans who have ever lived have only experienced meaning in the choiceless mode.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158364339763650560?s=20 …

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        Our brains co-evolved with choicelessness, and it feels right. All the other modes feel wrong. It's interesting to explore why the other modes—despite all their genuine benefits—make us unhappy, and what to do about that
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      21. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        We moved on to systematic mode. A systematic culture answers “why” Q’s w/ “becauses” “Why” questions, the logic goes, eventually reaches an ultimate, eternal Truth. This Truth is the foundation of the system.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158364339763650560?s=20 …

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        Our brains co-evolved with choicelessness, and it feels right. All the other modes feel wrong. It's interesting to explore why the other modes—despite all their genuine benefits—make us unhappy, and what to do about that
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      22. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Rationalist eternalism is the confused stance that there is a pattern to everything, that all patterns can be discovered by reasoning, and that they give everything meaning Rationality is good—but an incomplete way of understanding the world.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158362048025255937?s=20 …

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        Dualism, in the rationalist sense, is the insistence on boundaries; that everything must be definitely this or that, and not vaguely in-between. But of course, all categories are partially-arbitrary, and cannot fully capture reality—so believing in them creates distortions.
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      23. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Why is rationality often not sufficient on its own? *It universalizes when things are often context specific.* Generally, knowledge of a specific object does not count as “rational” unless it applies to every other object in some class.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158240417277730816?s=20 …

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        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        Mainstream epistemology—the theory of how we can know things—has two principles: empiricism and rationality. “Empiricism” means that knowledge is based on perception; “rationality” means that knowledge is based on sound reasoning.
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      24. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Rationality failed us because it tried to prove too much. It doesn’t appreciate that reality is nebulous, so it commits inaccuracies against perception.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158393818280005632?s=20 …

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        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        Since we’ve lived w/o rationalist certainty for 100 yrs, it’s hard now to appreciate the shock its loss provoked at the time. It was only the elites who fully understood and felt the loss. A vague anxiety that science no longer made sense trickled down.
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      25. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Zooming out, more historical context on rationality/systemacity:https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158367600210038785?s=20 …

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        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        Complete systemacity (/rationality) ruins everything. As everyone knows & has known. Back in the choiceless mode, all things were charged with inherent meaning, mountains were inhabited by benevolent and terrifying gods, and you always knew what you were supposed to do.
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      26. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        A history of how meaning fell apart The first half of the twentieth century was awful—in every way. The glorious accomplishments of the systematic era could not hold civilization together, and seemed likely to be lost entirely in a global conflagration.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158367053797056512?s=20 …

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        The period was marked by two social crises: class conflict and world wars. The systematic ideologies that were supposed to resolve these horrible problems seemed, by the end, to have made them worse, or even to have been their principal causes.
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      27. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Erik Torenberg je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceErik Torenberg

        Countercultures emerged as a result of these failures. Both the hippie movements and the moral majority movement. The hippie movement was monist — emphasizing that all are one and blurring the boundary between private/public.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158368316148396034?s=20 …

        Erik Torenberg je dodan/na,

        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        Ecology—a new science—revealed that all life is connected in an intricate web of mutual dependencies. A cultural and political movement based collapsing the distinctions among the natural, political, psychological, and spiritual worlds.
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      28. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        In contrast, the dualist moral majority promoted: - man’s dominion over nature - submission to the Creator - and to legitimate secular authority - nationalism - racial segregation - distinct gender roles - the sanctity of marriage versus the sinfulness of non-marital sex

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      29. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        The dualist counterculture also claimed to want to restore “traditional values.” It was never clear which era it proposed to return to. In fact, it wanted to “restore” a romanticized, mythical past in which the systematic mode actually worked. Sound Familiar?

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      30. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Erik Torenberg je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceErik Torenberg

        Both Countercultures had more in common than you might thinkhttps://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158368643195052032?s=20 …

        Erik Torenberg je dodan/na,

        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        Both countercultures invented fantastical time-distortion mythologies to confuse future & past. Both created nostalgia for imaginary golden ages, which were actually hoped-for futures. Both promised upcoming utopias that were actually tired fantasies from long ago.
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      31. Erik Torenberg‏Ovjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg 5. kol 2019.
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        Erik Torenberg je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceErik Torenberg

        The countercultures failed. Why? Rejecting rationality was the central conceptual move of both countercultures. But this was an error. Rationality was never the problem with the systematic mode. The Problem with systematic mode was ETERNALISM.https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg/status/1158369410660352007?s=20 …

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        Erik TorenbergOvjeren akaunt @eriktorenberg
        The kids imagined they could build a new eternalism on a new foundation, but they were wrong. They doubled down on eternalism, and lost again. “Everything is totally connected—peace, love, happiness!” didn’t work. Neither did “Jesus is my personal savior!”
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