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Impatient optimist. Dad. Author and speaker. Created Fiddler & SlickRun. PM @ MSFT '01-'12, and '18- on @microsoftedge. My words are my own. he/him

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    Eric Lawrence  🎻‏ @ericlaw Sep 22

    Any guesses as to the annual worldwide investment in web browser development?

    10:22 AM - 22 Sep 2018
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      2. Jason Hofmann‏ @jhofmann Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        I think it’s very high leverage. 100 FTEs per vendor times four vendors times $250k (averaging across the world) is $100 million.

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      3. Eric Lawrence  🎻‏ @ericlaw Sep 22
        Replying to @jhofmann

        100 FTEs? :-D

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      4. Patrick Rodgers‏ @mediocrebowler Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw @jhofmann

        Lol @ 100 FTEs.

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      2. TProphet‏ @TProphet Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        $40MM

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      3. Eric Lawrence  🎻‏ @ericlaw Sep 22
        Replying to @TProphet

        Any better guesses?

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      4. TProphet‏ @TProphet Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        Yeah, that was a wild stab. Looks like the Mozilla Foundation burns through a little under 500MM so I'm going to guess less than $2B overall.

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      2. Adam Roach‏ @adambroach Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        Just the browser and it’s underlying technology? My back-of-the-envelope guess is $1B-$2B.

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      3. Adam Roach‏ @adambroach Sep 22
        Replying to @adambroach @ericlaw

        You can look at historical annual reports for Moz and see $400M-$500M of income. Some of that is banked, much of it is spent on browser development. Edge is about the same size, Chrome is bigger. There’s a long tail of investment in Opera, Samsung, other regional browsers.

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      4. Eric Lawrence  🎻‏ @ericlaw Sep 22
        Replying to @adambroach

        One question is whether we count marketing/user acquisition payments.

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      5. Adam Roach‏ @adambroach Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        Yeah. Clearly my methodology (such as it is) is using fully-loaded numbers, including thinks like HR and marketing. This does complicate apples-to-apples comparisons, though. E.g., Moz never ran a TV ad during the Super Bowl.

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      1. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        It would be really interesting to compare the platform development to economic value ratio. Eg. Apple likes to talk about the $10B developers have made on iOS, but I'd bet the web is orders of magnitude more with similar total platform to iOS...

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      1. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        I'd guess a couple billion USD per year (i.e. pocket change for the entire e-commerce and advertising economy it supports).

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      1. Kevin Jones 🏒 🏳️‍🌈‏ @vcsjones Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        Wouldn't surprise me if the number was in billions.

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      2. Kevin Jones 🏒 🏳️‍🌈‏ @vcsjones Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        I feel reasonably close to being right within an order of magnitude and will say "10s of billions" assuming I interpreted your question as broad as you meant it to be.

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      3. Kevin Jones 🏒 🏳️‍🌈‏ @vcsjones Sep 22
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        One order less seems doable, less than 1B seems unlikely.

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      1. Nelson Carrillo‏ @njc4r Sep 22
        Replying to @ericlaw

        $5B

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