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Impatient optimist. Dad. Author and speaker. Created Fiddler & SlickRun. PM @ MSFT '01-'12, and '18- on @microsoftedge. My words are my own. he/him

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    1. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Sep 22

      I’m still annoyed that Chrome has gone to mandatory Google login — exactly the same way Android did (and has received enormous criticism for) — and people at Google are acting like they’re surprised people are upset.

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    2. Adrienne P 🎃rter Felt‏Verified account @__apf__ Sep 22
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      Think of it as adding "yo FYI you're currently logged in to Gmail" in the corner of the browser window. That's what the feature does. It's different from the feature you seem to be talking about which we call sync, that has privacy implications.

      30 replies 4 retweets 42 likes
    3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Sep 22
      Replying to @__apf__

      Tying my browsing history to an identity *implicitly* has privacy implications, even if I somehow avoid the option that uploads this data to Google.

      6 replies 11 retweets 140 likes
    4. Scott Miller‏ @Miller_Geek Sep 22
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @__apf__

      I don't understand how this is tying browsing history to identity if it's just a visual indication of login status. That's just "is there a valid session cookie"

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    5. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Sep 22
      Replying to @Miller_Geek @__apf__

      But that’s not what it is. It is quite literally an authenticated relationship between the browser software and Google. I can’t speak to the details but I’m sure there is at least an occasional authentication dance, or there will be in the future.

      2 replies 0 retweets 49 likes
    6. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Sep 22
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @Miller_Geek @__apf__

      Adrienne is saying “as long as you don’t turn on the ‘upload all my stuff to Google’ features, this relationship is not practically much different to the user than a Google login cookie with an added visual notification feature.”

      1 reply 0 retweets 25 likes
    7. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Sep 22
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @Miller_Geek @__apf__

      But she’s not saying the two ideas are literally equivalent. If it were literally equivalent then it would not be possible for me to accidentally touch the “sync” button and have my data on Google’s servers. This is a real browser login with whatever implications that has.

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    8. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Sep 22
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @Miller_Geek @__apf__

      The problem is that once the browser logs in, a bunch of machinery I don’t fully understand (and even the Chrome security devs admit to not fully understanding) may turn on. Adrienne is saying that she’s confident that won’t include data upload: for now.

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    9. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green Sep 22
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @Miller_Geek @__apf__

      And these things may be different even now. Consider: 1. Using a browser with sync off 2. At a later point, turning sync on Does my history from time period (1) get uploaded to Google during time period (2)? The Chrome privacy policy is ambiguous for “signed in mode”.

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      Eric Lawrence  🎻‏ @ericlaw Sep 22
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      Historically, at least, yes.https://medium.com/secjuice/anyone-can-steal-all-of-chrome-saved-passwords-form-fields-bookmarks-history-ab2da3b4853e …

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