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Clinical psychologist, behavior geneticist, Mets fan, francophile. I only reply to people who write under their real name.

Charlottesville, VA
geneticshumanagency.org
Joined February 2008

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    Eric Turkheimer‏ @ent3c May 18

    On race, genes, IQ, Charles Murray and Sam Harris, written with Paige Harden @kph3k and Dick Nisbett.https://goo.gl/mV8WVE 

    7:36 AM - 18 May 2017
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      2. Eric von Otter  🔬‏ @ericvonotter May 18
        Replying to @ent3c @kph3k

        This confuses me. Murray's isn't claiming we'll find a single "IQ gene", but that our understanding of contributing genes will increase, no?pic.twitter.com/RKopaXwdr4

        2 replies 0 retweets 26 likes
      3. Eric von Otter  🔬‏ @ericvonotter May 18
        Replying to @ericvonotter @ent3c @kph3k

        If your point is re: "few years away", then time optimism might be a better accusation rather than him being "scientifically unserious".

        1 reply 1 retweet 15 likes
      4. Eric von Otter  🔬‏ @ericvonotter May 18
        Replying to @ericvonotter @ent3c @kph3k

        This is equally confusing. Murray even cites the Wilson effect, which suggests that environmental impact/heritability of IQ changes w/ age.pic.twitter.com/782tXpuOdG

        3 replies 3 retweets 17 likes
      5. Stuart Ritchie‏ @StuartJRitchie May 18
        Replying to @ericvonotter @ent3c @kph3k

        Murray also says, and I'm more or less quoting here: "nutrition can have a big effect on IQ scores". So "Murray flatly tells..." is wrong.

        2 replies 6 retweets 43 likes
      6. Charles Murray‏ @charlesmurray May 18
        Replying to @StuartJRitchie @fsnole1 and

        Thanks. It is a lot more effective if others make these points than if I do. Since I'm in the grip of pseudoscience.

        1 reply 3 retweets 41 likes
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      2. Stuart Ritchie‏ @StuartJRitchie May 18
        Replying to @ent3c @kph3k

        Why say Harris doesn't mention the Flynn Effect, when he does, in the exact section that you're discussing, and CM talks about it at length?

        10 replies 8 retweets 103 likes
      3. Stuart Ritchie‏ @StuartJRitchie May 18
        Replying to @StuartJRitchie @ent3c @kph3k

        And in fact Harris goes on to challenge Murray (I'm re-listening now) with a quote from Flynn, which is then responded to.

        2 replies 2 retweets 41 likes
      4. Stuart Ritchie‏ @StuartJRitchie May 18
        Replying to @StuartJRitchie @ent3c @kph3k

        I mean maybe you disagree with the way it's responded to, and that's totally fine. But to say it isn't mentioned is just wrong.

        1 reply 1 retweet 45 likes
      5. Andrew Bell‏ @andrew_bell_ia May 18
        Replying to @StuartJRitchie @ent3c @kph3k

        You're being really picky. Harris didn't challenge Murray on what the implications of the Flynn effect are.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Stuart Ritchie‏ @StuartJRitchie May 18
        Replying to @andrew_bell_ia

        But he did! And Murray responded with the Wicherts paper. Again, fair to disagree with the science but can't say they didn't discuss it.

        3 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
      7. Andrew Bell‏ @andrew_bell_ia May 18
        Replying to @StuartJRitchie

        Maybe I missed it. What was his response re. Wicherts?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Stuart Ritchie‏ @StuartJRitchie May 18
        Replying to @andrew_bell_ia

        He cited a paper which he tweeted earlier this evening. I'm going to bed so take a scroll through his timeline.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Andrew Bell‏ @andrew_bell_ia May 18
        Replying to @StuartJRitchie

        Yeah. Paper isn't public and tidbit certainly didn't answer what seems the issue.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Timofey Pnin‏ @pnin1957 May 18
        Replying to @ent3c @kph3k

        Your piece starts well but then becomes at least as ideological & biased as anything Murray said. You obfuscate, ignore counterarguments &

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      3. Timofey Pnin‏ @pnin1957 May 18
        Replying to @pnin1957 @ent3c @kph3k

        contrary evidence & apply lax standards of evidence where it helps you & harsh standards when it doesn't. To say there's "no evidence" for

        1 reply 1 retweet 13 likes
      4. Timofey Pnin‏ @pnin1957 May 18
        Replying to @pnin1957 @ent3c @kph3k

        the racial/genetic hypothesis is a bare-faced lie under any definition of "evidence" commonly used in science.

        0 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. James Thompson‏Verified account @JamesPsychol May 18
        Replying to @ent3c @kph3k

        The "Poorly informed scientific speculation" you dismiss is the current position of 47% of researchershttp://www.unz.com/jthompson/what-iq-researchers-really-think-about-race-and-intelligence/ …

        3 replies 5 retweets 23 likes
      3. Ed Herzog‏ @edherzogcoach May 19
        Replying to @JamesPsychol @ent3c @kph3k

        Also numbers don't add up: 17% + 42% + 18% + 39% + 5% = 121% #Sloppy

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. James Thompson‏Verified account @JamesPsychol May 19
        Replying to @edherzogcoach @ent3c @kph3k

        The % issue explained below, but I have linked country paper, which is wrong. Original conference presentation here: http://www.unz.com/jthompson/isir-what-do-intelligence-researchers/ …pic.twitter.com/4BLQl1zuVs

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