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    1. Jonathan Crossfield‏ @Kimota Apr 28

      Jonathan Crossfield Retweeted Talia Lavin

      Note that love or affection for someone other than the entirely physical doesn’t even factor into these idiots’ thinking. Being incel isn’t a cause of their distress - as if they’re victims - their complete detachment from other human beings is the cause.https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/990235360209915905 …

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      Talia LavinVerified account @chick_in_kiev
      i just. i can't. these are human beings but they live on a different planet i think pic.twitter.com/1Y0PMi2fe5
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      User Error‏ @engin_eer Apr 28
      Replying to @Kimota

      So I get where the incel impulse comes from. That sense of entitlement and self-loathing. I am glad the manosphere did not exist when I was 16.

      4:34 PM - 28 Apr 2018
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        2. User Error‏ @engin_eer Apr 28
          Replying to @engin_eer @Kimota

          And I agree that shutting down the websites that host this toxic masculinity is a good start. But there’s some stuff we need to start talking to boys about self-esteem, empathy & consent before they hit puberty. I hope things have changed since my day.

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        3. Jonathan Crossfield‏ @Kimota Apr 28
          Replying to @engin_eer

          I’m thinking teaching some critical thinking would be a good start or they’ll twist whatever else they hear into their own reality (which is what I see happening more and more these days).

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        4. User Error‏ @engin_eer Apr 28
          Replying to @Kimota

          I’m gonna disagree with you. I think you need to start with the emotional core of this, before getting all up in the rational.

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        5. Jonathan Crossfield‏ @Kimota Apr 28
          Replying to @engin_eer

          Except there's already lots of discussion on consent, mysogyny, etc. particularly in light of # metoo. But the incels interpret that stuff as some kind of femenist conspiracy. Their position is "We tried doing things 'by the rules' & it didn't work, so the rules must be broken."

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        6. Jonathan Crossfield‏ @Kimota Apr 28
          Replying to @Kimota @engin_eer

          They're looking for the silver bullet or cheat code they assume must exist within society to get laid. Hence why most of them have tried those pick up scams at some point, which just embeds the mysogyny & 'unfairness' still further when those tactics don't work.

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        7. User Error‏ @engin_eer Apr 29
          Replying to @Kimota

          All that you say is true. N.B. My initial comment was not about talking to a 22 yr old on reddit. But 7/8/9 yr olds. I’m not sure there are any words that can get thru to the existing online incel community.

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        8. User Error‏ @engin_eer Apr 29
          Replying to @engin_eer @Kimota

          The danah boyd talk covers the limits of critical thinking / media literacy. We have to find ways of reintegrating at least some of incel radicals into broader society. That’s not going to be easy.

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        9. User Error‏ @engin_eer Apr 29
          Replying to @engin_eer @Kimota

          “Deradicalisation” sounds as tho you simply take the bad ideas away. I don’t think that’s a good model. We need to bring them back in.

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