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    1. Quinta  🎃 Jurecic‏Verified account @qjurecic May 20
      Replying to @TCleveland4Real

      yeah. whether or not the intention is to inject more poison into the system, there certainly seems to be a level of willful ignorance to what's going on here.

      1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
    2. Quinta  🎃 Jurecic‏Verified account @qjurecic May 20
      Replying to @qjurecic @TCleveland4Real

      I would hope that if I routinely wrote things that got picked up and spun way out of proportion by crazy people on the internet, I would start being very, very careful about my writing

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
      Replying to @TCleveland4Real @qjurecic

      Two thoughts. First, as I was reading your piece, I kept thinking abt distinct possibility Ross learned of Halper via targets comparing notes. If so, it's really NOT Ross/etc's fault for exposing him.

      1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
      Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real @qjurecic

      It's just terrible opsec, using the same source to approach 3 people who can compare notes and in doing so conclude that he had ulterior motives. And frankly, those targets absolutely have the right to do so (and to speak to press about it).

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
      Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real @qjurecic

      Also, as we trace how these fever narratives spread, it's worth trying to catalog which corners (WH, Bannon, Nunes, others) fan the flames, to extent that's possible.

      2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
    6. Quinta  🎃 Jurecic‏Verified account @qjurecic May 20
      Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real

      certainly. the goal of the piece was much more to trace the fanning of the flames; with the information we have, we can't really say to what extent Nunes et al were involved in the sourcing of the original piece.

      1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
      Replying to @qjurecic @TCleveland4Real

      No. It's a critically important question, legally. But I respect Ross' reporting sufficiently to believe the story may have come via legit sources.

      2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    8. Quinta  🎃 Jurecic‏Verified account @qjurecic May 20
      Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real

      right, at some point "a source familiar with the investigations" was involved, but it's not clear when. we tried to make that clear; hope we succeeded

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
      Replying to @qjurecic @TCleveland4Real

      As @benjaminwittes himself has written, that descriptive is more often than not a defense attorney. And particularly given Toensing's known "legal" tactics, I'd suggest defense attorney should remain default assumption.

      1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
      Replying to @emptywheel @qjurecic and

      Particularly given that she's got one client who demonstrably can be charged w/1001, at a minimum, and another, Clovis, in unknown amounts of jeopardy, plus visibility on a third.

      7:56 AM - 20 May 2018
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        2. Quinta  🎃 Jurecic‏Verified account @qjurecic May 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real

          sure. whoever it was, they knew enough to say that the "name popped up on investigators’ radar." but as you say, there are a range of possibilities here, some more likely than others.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @qjurecic and

          This is not a criticism of your piece. Just my nagging thought as I read it.

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        3. Quinta  🎃 Jurecic‏Verified account @qjurecic May 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real @benjaminwittes

          of course. appreciate it!

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
          Replying to @qjurecic @TCleveland4Real @benjaminwittes

          Far too often, our LE and intel wail about exposing secrets when what they're really complaining about is their opsec is bad enough to make reverse engineering possible if not easy. My gut feel is that's what went on here.

          3 replies 4 retweets 10 likes
        5. Ryan Janus‏ @RyanCJanus May 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @qjurecic and

          This is really insightful analysis. I wasn't familiar enough with Ross' reporting to assume how he came about this info, and many are defaulting to "must be a leak".

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 20
          Replying to @RyanCJanus @qjurecic and

          Bc we're sure they're all guilty (in Pap's case, of far more than lying), it's hard for us to remember they're entitled to due process and to speak to the press and to mount a defense. In same way anti-war activists are allowed to talk abt infomants, so are they.

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