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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

      I'm not a GOPer and will still allow the techniques may have been valid. But story of probe origins have shifted so drastically since the beginning, the public absolutely needs to learn what was known by who, when? Were there even 4 suspects when the probe started? Based on what?

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

      There were individual investigations (not sure what level) into Manafort, Page, and probably Flynn, based on their own actions before Trump. Why CI investigation into whether Trump's campaign conspired w/RU on hack-and-leak is a different Q, which is Papa issue.

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    3. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

      Possibly a different Q. If Papa was setup by Downer (and there's a variety of details that make that plausible), next question is where the info on Papa/Russia actually originated. Why was Mifsud meeting w/ Boris J in UK in 2017 if everyone knew he was a Putin asset? Lots of Qs

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

      If Downer set up Papa, why didn't ANYONE use that set up? The entire notion is crazy, frankly, bc it is utterly inconsistent with everything that came later.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

      High-level diplomat w/ intel connections, Hakluyt. Appears he requested meeting w/ Papa (why?), and then Papa who's attempting to engage in treason w/ Russia just blabs to Downer about it unprompted? Maybe. I'm waiting for more details on all of this.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

      Maybe Papa shouldn't have blabbed? No one has presented any evidence he was coerced.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Meridius‏ @Meridius_26 May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @NormieDeGuerre and

      Didn’t Downer delay telling FBI until the leaks in late July? Doesn’t seem like he sought info intentionally.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @Meridius_26 @emptywheel and

      That's what we heard, but that same NYT story said Downer's late July report is what kicked off FBI investigation. So why was Halper making contact w/ Page back in late June?

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    9. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @TCleveland4Real @Meridius_26 and

      Again though, if suspicion of Page was individual and not related to the campaign, the proper thing would have been to warn the campaign about Page, which seems not to have been done. Other possibility is campaign itself was under suspicion/investigation far earlier than realized

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @TCleveland4Real and

      LOL. And the campaign would have done precisely what they did after Trump got a warning abt Flynn: Put him in charge of entire US NatSec.

      5:18 PM - 19 May 2018
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        1. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real and

          A warning incoming NatSec Flynn violating Logan Act by talking to the Russian ambassador as a transition official? Who Comey/FBI interviewers said they didn't believed lied? Basic point here is if you assume campaign was dirty, this stuff was justified. If not, huge problems.

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        2. Meridius‏ @Meridius_26 May 19
          Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @emptywheel and

          Obama warned trump about Flynn in Nov. before the Kislyak callshttps://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/08/obama-warned-trump-michael-flynn-russia-contacts …

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        3. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @Meridius_26 @emptywheel and

          And? Obama hated Flynn and had fired him. Flynn has been charged w/ nothing but a process crime. It's treason for an incoming president to ignore a request from the outgoing one regarding his staffing choices?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Meridius‏ @Meridius_26 May 19
          Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @emptywheel and

          You just asked “why weren’t they warned” and now say “so what” when I show you they were

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Meridius‏ @Meridius_26 May 19
          Replying to @Meridius_26 @NormieDeGuerre and

          If Trump had of listened to this warning there would be no special council.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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