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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @bohmbawerk1 @TCleveland4Real @ChuckRossDC

      Let's see, which would you prefer: 1) Having uniformed FBI Agents knock on Page and Papa's doors, making investigation public. 2) Having non-LE person FROM THE SAME PARTY do some discreet inquiries.

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    2. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

      TIL when the feds sends a fed informant to spy on you, it's ok as long as the informant is a member of your political party. Even if you're running for president and the informant supports the other party's candidate! Also, it started pre-Downer/FBI contact. What was the basis?

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

      One of the problems with @ChuckRossDC's story is he makes no mention of the publicly known March FBI concerns about Page.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @NormieDeGuerre and

      As to the informant, you can refer to the FBI DIOG--or any other CI case--and find a slew of informants. Usually, they're a lot sketchier than Halper. The FBI did NOT use a lot of techniques v Pap that were available to it at that level.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @NormieDeGuerre and

      But I keep asking GOPers: how would you have the FBI investigate the 4 suspected RU assets on Trump's campaign? WHat techniques would you approve?

      1 reply 2 retweets 2 likes
    6. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

      I'm not a GOPer and will still allow the techniques may have been valid. But story of probe origins have shifted so drastically since the beginning, the public absolutely needs to learn what was known by who, when? Were there even 4 suspects when the probe started? Based on what?

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

      There were individual investigations (not sure what level) into Manafort, Page, and probably Flynn, based on their own actions before Trump. Why CI investigation into whether Trump's campaign conspired w/RU on hack-and-leak is a different Q, which is Papa issue.

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    8. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

      Possibly a different Q. If Papa was setup by Downer (and there's a variety of details that make that plausible), next question is where the info on Papa/Russia actually originated. Why was Mifsud meeting w/ Boris J in UK in 2017 if everyone knew he was a Putin asset? Lots of Qs

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

      If Downer set up Papa, why didn't ANYONE use that set up? The entire notion is crazy, frankly, bc it is utterly inconsistent with everything that came later.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
      Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

      High-level diplomat w/ intel connections, Hakluyt. Appears he requested meeting w/ Papa (why?), and then Papa who's attempting to engage in treason w/ Russia just blabs to Downer about it unprompted? Maybe. I'm waiting for more details on all of this.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
      Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

      Maybe Papa shouldn't have blabbed? No one has presented any evidence he was coerced.

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        2. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

          No but we now have evidence another high-level guy w/ intel connections was going around inviting Trump people to chat about Russia and Hillary's emails. So, is it impossible that Downer was doing something similar?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
          Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

          WHat do you think spooks and diplomats do? OF COURSE they were meeting with people to try and learn stuff.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

          OK, but if Downer setup a May meeting w/ Papa because a CI investigation asked him to poke around about Papa/Russia/Hillary's emails, where/how did the CI investigation start and how'd it get info on Papa/Russia?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
          Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @bohmbawerk1 and

          There's zero evidence of any of that, and it doesn't fit the timeline in the least. Unless you have a time machine. And STILL doesn't explain why this set up didn't result in the leak that would be only obvious point of it

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        6. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @bohmbawerk1 and

          Maybe. We still haven't seen the written reports regarding who Downer actually informed and what he claimed was said by Papa. That'll be a starting point. Country deserves for all the facts to come out so we can assess for ourselves, same as for Mueller investigation.

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        2. Meridius‏ @Meridius_26 May 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @NormieDeGuerre and

          Didn’t Downer delay telling FBI until the leaks in late July? Doesn’t seem like he sought info intentionally.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @Meridius_26 @emptywheel and

          That's what we heard, but that same NYT story said Downer's late July report is what kicked off FBI investigation. So why was Halper making contact w/ Page back in late June?

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        5. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @TCleveland4Real @Meridius_26 and

          Again though, if suspicion of Page was individual and not related to the campaign, the proper thing would have been to warn the campaign about Page, which seems not to have been done. Other possibility is campaign itself was under suspicion/investigation far earlier than realized

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 19
          Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @TCleveland4Real and

          LOL. And the campaign would have done precisely what they did after Trump got a warning abt Flynn: Put him in charge of entire US NatSec.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        7. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real and

          A warning incoming NatSec Flynn violating Logan Act by talking to the Russian ambassador as a transition official? Who Comey/FBI interviewers said they didn't believed lied? Basic point here is if you assume campaign was dirty, this stuff was justified. If not, huge problems.

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        8. Meridius‏ @Meridius_26 May 19
          Replying to @NormieDeGuerre @emptywheel and

          Obama warned trump about Flynn in Nov. before the Kislyak callshttps://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/08/obama-warned-trump-michael-flynn-russia-contacts …

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        9. gringx‏ @NormieDeGuerre May 19
          Replying to @Meridius_26 @emptywheel and

          And? Obama hated Flynn and had fired him. Flynn has been charged w/ nothing but a process crime. It's treason for an incoming president to ignore a request from the outgoing one regarding his staffing choices?

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        1. Themistocles' Wall‏ @themistocles_w May 19
          Replying to @emptywheel @NormieDeGuerre and

          The most damning thing to me is @realDonaldTrump is adopting the legal strategy of peeps who are usually guilty of what they’re charged with, & have a bad fact/law defense When the president pounds the defense bar table the country shakes

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