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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 10

      emptywheel Retweeted Josh Gerstein

      Gerstein is right: it's important for coverage of Cohen to distinguish what, if anything, makes his influence peddling different (Stormy definitely counts, Russia may or may not) from garden variety DC sleaze.https://twitter.com/joshgerstein/status/994578197714030592 …

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      Josh GersteinVerified account @joshgerstein
      It may be terrible but it's not terrible all of a sudden because Cohen did it. Now, there's some weird atypical elements here w/Stormy and Russian links and stuff, but the access to my former boss stuff is what puts food on the table of many a former Hill staffer.
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    2. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

      It is? I thought sleaze was bad in general, so why are we whataboutism-ing it?

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 10
      Replying to @DastardlyDoofus @joshgerstein

      I find it thoroughly disgusting that you're dismissing a conversation about how common this is among POLITICAL parties as "whataboutism." It's pathetic and gross.

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    4. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

      That’s not what I’m dismissing, what I am dismissing is the idea that journalists, or whoever, have to distinguish why THIS sleaze is worse than OTHER sleaze. THAT is whataboutism.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 10
      Replying to @DastardlyDoofus @joshgerstein

      No. Actually, that is NOTHING like whataboutism, and your suggestion that it is is both ahistoric and a dangerous superimposition of nationality onto partisanship. Moreover, the entire point of journalism is accuracy, which the distinction of these issues requires.

      7:59 AM - 10 May 2018
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        2. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          IT IS THE DEFINITION OF WHATABOUTISM. If this behavior is supposed to be abhorrent in general, why in the world are we trying to compare and contrast it with previous examples of it? You’re basically making the argument that moral relativism needs to be injected into the convo.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 10
          Replying to @DastardlyDoofus @joshgerstein

          LOL. No. But thanks for sharing your hysteria.

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        4. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          Cool, why don’t you go ahead and, I don’t know, explain how saying “we need to compare this bad thing to other bad things other people have done” is different from whataboutism?

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        5.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle May 10
          Replying to @DastardlyDoofus @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          Do you not understand that us giving a pass to those "other people" who did the bad things is how we arrived here, at this moment in time, with this level of blatant & out in the open corruption to begin with? They shouldn't get to rebrand as The Resistance.

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        6. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
          Replying to @Lollerwaffle @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          How is holding people to ONE STANDARD giving people a pass?

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        7.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle May 10
          Replying to @DastardlyDoofus @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          Is your concern not that Cohen's misdeeds are being portrayed as "garden variety DC sleaze?" Where is the whatboutism here? The entire story of the Trump admin is that they do corruption in your face, while those that came before were also corrupt, just more sneakily/politely.

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        8. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
          Replying to @Lollerwaffle @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          My concern is that comparing what’s different about what’s been “acceptable” conduct in the past versus this conduct downplays the fact that this shouldn’t be acceptable in the first place, now OR then. It waters it down into 🍎 vs 🍊 instead of right vs wrong.

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        9.  🌹 🍄We're All Mad Here 🎩 🌹‏ @Lollerwaffle May 10
          Replying to @DastardlyDoofus

          Well, I don't think that was the point anyone was trying to make here. They werent pointing out others did it to give Cohen a pass. They were pointing out others did it lest we forget this shit isn't new, & us not doing something then is what led to now.

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        1. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          You’re not talking about accuracy, anyways, you’re taking about comparing example to example.

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        2. Ariel Robinson‏ @ArielRobinson1 May 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          Preach. Thank you.

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        3. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
          Replying to @ArielRobinson1 @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          Great addition to the conversation. Thank you, we’re all enlightened now.

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        1. Dastardly‏ @DastardlyDoofus May 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          I’m saying that your dismissal of any sort of higher standard, replaced by comparing past and prologue to the current occasion, is what disgusting.

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