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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7

      emptywheel Retweeted Tucker Carlson

      The Trump investigation is a hit job bc Trump's campaign manager w/$20M in debt to a Russian oligarch who worked for free faces a lifetime of money laundering charges hit job.https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/993657061945864192 …

      emptywheel added,

      Tucker CarlsonVerified account @TuckerCarlson
      The Mueller probe is no longer a law enforcement investigation. It's a hit job. This pleases the Left. Removing Trump is the only principle they recognize. Instead of admitting it, they lecture us about the rule of law, as if they actually care about the Constitution. They don't.
      8 replies 85 retweets 286 likes
    2. Elgin Harten‏ @HartenDance May 7
      Replying to @emptywheel

      aka criminal investigation. It’s the criminals that made it that way.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
      Replying to @HartenDance @emptywheel

      Trump specifically refers to "Russian collusion" being a witch hunt, and I think he's right on that. So much time and nothing to show for it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
      Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

      By "nothing to show for it" you mean aside from the 5 guilty pleas and the 15 other indictments? Were you a Benghazi truther, too?

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
      Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

      Do any of those indictments allege a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government to commit wrongdoing re the 2016 election? Didn't think so. The Benghazi "scandal" was as much of a joke as this one is. So was Clinton's emailgate. And Lewinski. And Whitewater.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
      Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

      When they're pleas, they're not allegations. So let's try this slowly. One guilty plea is about hiding from FBI whether and who on the campaign learned Russians were dealing dirt in form of Hillary emails.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
      Replying to @emptywheel @briantcairns @HartenDance

      One guilty plea is about hiding from FBI that Trump Admin was providing precisely what Russians asked for in June meeting offering dirt: sanctions relief.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
      Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

      Is the guilty plea for conspiring with the Russian government to commit wrongdoing during the 2016 campaign?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
      Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

      Actually during and after. They didn't start paying off the debt to the Russians until after. Yes. It absolutely is. And those two cooperating witnesses have been cooperating for upwards of 6 months.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
      Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

      But where is it alleged or admited that there was a quid pro quo? They've been cooperating for months, yet no one has yet alleged or admitted a quid pro quod. Or point me to it if I am incorrect.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
      Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

      Wait. Before we go there, do you admit that 1) one plea is about the offer 2) there's a public meeting where even Don Jr says dirt was offered in meeting where sanctions discussed 3) other plea is about sanctions?

      7:25 PM - 7 May 2018
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        2. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

          You're connecting dots with speculation, and that's fine, but my original point still stands: there have been no indictments or pleas regarding a conspiracy between the Trump camp & Russian gov.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
          Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

          Well, you're misstating what the record on Flynn says. The only difference of opinion is whether Don Jr believed the dirt he was getting was the emails already offered (which came a week later) or something else. You think Don Jr jumped for something else, I get that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

          I think Jr jumped at the chance to get dirt on his opponent, which is perfectly legal. But it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is that what you suspect has not been alleged by Mueller in an indictment or pled guilty to by anyone.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
          Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

          No you're right. There are just multiple public documents that support that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

          Depends on what you mean by the word "support," I guess.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

          1. Not an offer to conspire. 2. Meeting was about sanctions, dirt was mentioned, but dirt was about Clinton's dealings in Russia, not hacked emails or troll farms. 3. Plea was about lying to FBI about discussing sanctions after the election.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
          Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

          1. It was RU offering to help by releasing emails. 2. How do you know dirt was abt Clinton's dealings in RU? You heard the convos bt Don Jr and Emin? You know what Don Jr referred to w/"if it's what I think"? 3. It was abt lying abt saying hold off on retaliating we'll deal.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

          1. Getting political oppo is not a crime. That meeting had nothing to do with DNC/Podesta emails anyway, as far as we know. 2. Is there any indictment that the meeting was about a conspiracy? There were lots of people there. 3. What's your evidence of this?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 7
          Replying to @briantcairns @HartenDance

          Ah, I see how you're splitting these things up to avoid the obvious. You're working awfully hard there! Three different compartmented brains to maintain your beliefs.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @HartenDance

          I really don't care either way. I doubt the campaign conspired with Russia to do anything illegal because it just doesn't make sense. Russia wanted to hurt Clinton, they didn't need a promise from Trump in order to hack her, and they certainly didn't need technical assistance.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @TCleveland4Real @emptywheel @HartenDance

          Did he act as an agent of a foreign power in any way that involved a conspiracy to commit wrongdoing between that foreign power and the Trump campaign?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Bad John Brown‏ @BadJohnBrown May 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @briantcairns @HartenDance

          This is honest question. I thought Don Jr. went to the meeting with the hope expectation dirt would be offered based on emails. But has he actually ever said dirt was offered to him in that meeting?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns May 7
          Replying to @BadJohnBrown @emptywheel @HartenDance

          I've seen no evidence that he got any dirt at that meeting. The lawyer wanted to talk about sanctions, which they did. Before and after that meeting she met with Fusion GPS, also about sanctions.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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